No DEF for 2020 Emissions??

Me Again wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

kw/00 wrote:
Well if they move the emissions down stream out of the engine bay, that may provide an easier way of removing them for those that tune and delete?

Know one can really say until we see how the system is implemented. Having said that deleting today's trucks is not really to difficult for most people.

So one or two percent of people delete their trucks. Just give the remainder a truck that runs good OEM. Chris

^^ what he said ... runs good PLUS reliable. Some of us live in jurisdictions where we are subject to annual diesel emissions tests, so cannot delete even if we wanted to.

FishOnOne wrote:

kw/00 wrote:
Well if they move the emissions down stream out of the engine bay, that may provide an easier way of removing them for those that tune and delete?

Know one can really say until we see how the system is implemented. Having said that deleting today's trucks is not really to difficult for most people.

So one or two percent of people delete their trucks. Just give the remainder a truck that runs good OEM. Chris

Troll Man,
Not fear mongering at all, but just stating facts. Another fact there's no denying that implementing DEF and reducing EGR duty cycle cummins made a major improvement. You're the exception, not the rule!

Bottom line I wouldn't own any of the DPF equipped diesel trucks that are not equipped with DEF.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

eHoefler wrote:
They are eliminating the EGR valve on the Cummins engines in 2019 model year. All emmisions will be downstream in the exhaust, and DEF is going to be part of it.

This is true, I spoke to a Lady at the Cummins Columbus, IN CMEP plant last Summer when taking the Plant Tour. She said she was working on the 19 engine and it will still be the 6.7. She had the "Cat Ate The Bird" look on her face when discussing it. Reports are the HP will increase 10 percent and TQ 20 percent. If so the competition will be left in the dust.

Cummins is using this technology on other engines.

Like when GM and Ford implemented DEF in their trucks and left cummins in the dust! :W

How will the competition be left in the dust if this women was unveiling cummins future hp and torque ratings?

Just add the percentages I mentioned to current numbers and they will be astounding. Also the fuel economy will be even better!

Let's mention fact, the Cummins did NOT need the DEF system. This engines are still desirable to some.

Wouldn't a 10% increase in HP for the Cummins still make it have less HP than the competition?

385 Current
39 10% increase
424 new HP

440 right now for the Ford
445 right now for Chevy

Or am I missing something?

And as far as the Cummins pre-def fear mongering that the Troller likes to do, there are plenty of people who are running that engine trouble free. Like I am.

kw/00 wrote:
Well if they move the emissions down stream out of the engine bay, that may provide an easier way of removing them for those that tune and delete?

No one can really say until we see how the system is implemented. Having said that deleting today's trucks is not really to difficult for most people.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

eHoefler wrote:
They are eliminating the EGR valve on the Cummins engines in 2019 model year. All emmisions will be downstream in the exhaust, and DEF is going to be part of it.

This is true, I spoke to a Lady at the Cummins Columbus, IN CMEP plant last Summer when taking the Plant Tour. She said she was working on the 19 engine and it will still be the 6.7. She had the "Cat Ate The Bird" look on her face when discussing it. Reports are the HP will increase 10 percent and TQ 20 percent. If so the competition will be left in the dust.

Cummins is using this technology on other engines.

Like when GM and Ford implemented DEF in their trucks and left cummins in the dust! :W

How will the competition be left in the dust if this women was unveiling cummins future hp and torque ratings?

Just add the percentages I mentioned to current numbers and they will be astounding. Also the fuel economy will be even better!

Let's mention fact, the Cummins did NOT need the DEF system. This engines are still desirable to some.

Fact is those trucks caused a many to deal with many trips to the shop for soot clogged EGRs, turbo's and DPF's and those trips to the shop to only clean out the system, update the flash, tell the owner to run their truck with the exhaust break on and run a fuel additive, and send them down the road. Only to be back in the future with the same story this is all we can do. All the above because cummins decided not to implement DEF which later the competition forced cummins to change on their 2500 and 3500 trucks.

Fact is having to service the EGR system every 65k miles and poorer fuel economy doesn't sound desirable to me. Unless.... you're a fan boy.

BTW... How do you know the competition is quietly preparing to up the bar in 2019?

Well if they move the emissions down stream out of the engine bay, that may provide an easier way of removing them for those that tune and delete?

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

eHoefler wrote:
They are eliminating the EGR valve on the Cummins engines in 2019 model year. All emmisions will be downstream in the exhaust, and DEF is going to be part of it.

This is true, I spoke to a Lady at the Cummins Columbus, IN CMEP plant last Summer when taking the Plant Tour. She said she was working on the 19 engine and it will still be the 6.7. She had the "Cat Ate The Bird" look on her face when discussing it. Reports are the HP will increase 10 percent and TQ 20 percent. If so the competition will be left in the dust.

Cummins is using this technology on other engines.

Like when GM and Ford implemented DEF in their trucks and left cummins in the dust! :W

How will the competition be left in the dust if this women was unveiling cummins future hp and torque ratings?

Just add the percentages I mentioned to current numbers and they will be astounding. Also the fuel economy will be even better!

Let's mention fact, the Cummins did NOT need the DEF system. This engines are still desirable to some.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

eHoefler wrote:
They are eliminating the EGR valve on the Cummins engines in 2019 model year. All emmisions will be downstream in the exhaust, and DEF is going to be part of it.

This is true, I spoke to a Lady at the Cummins Columbus, IN CMEP plant last Summer when taking the Plant Tour. She said she was working on the 19 engine and it will still be the 6.7. She had the "Cat Ate The Bird" look on her face when discussing it. Reports are the HP will increase 10 percent and TQ 20 percent. If so the competition will be left in the dust.

Cummins is using this technology on other engines.

Like when GM and Ford implemented DEF in their trucks and left cummins in the dust! :W

How will the competition be left in the dust if this women was unveiling cummins future hp and torque ratings?

eHoefler wrote:
They are eliminating the EGR valve on the Cummins engines in 2019 model year. All emmisions will be downstream in the exhaust, and DEF is going to be part of it.

This is true, I spoke to a Lady at the Cummins Columbus, IN CMEP plant last Summer when taking the Plant Tour. She said she was working on the 19 engine and it will still be the 6.7. She had the "Cat Ate The Bird" look on her face when discussing it. Reports are the HP will increase 10 percent and TQ 20 percent. If so the competition will be left in the dust.

Cummins is using this technology on other engines.