No more GM diesels?!

I suggest you google for your answer on the cost of charging stations. Most of them are not going to be the high cost Direct Current type. That's were I got my figures for 2019, not the distant past.

As it happens there is a charging station 200 feet from my condo. I don't ever expect to use it once I have a BEV because I drive very little. 35 miles a day x 7 days = 245 miles a week.

pianotuna wrote:
Hi,

You are off by a factor of ten. Costs per charging station (with multiple bays) are currently between $100,000.00 and $270,000.00.

There are approximately 68,000 spots to charge at in USA. But most charging may happen at home, or at work. A plain jane 15 amp circuit provides about 35 miles of range over ten hours.

Cars, on average, are used for about 294 hours a year. Yup, less than an hour a day. That leaves plenty of time for low level charging.

I agree that hydrogen fueling is at the moment difficult. But remember the first trans American road trip purchased gas from small town general stores.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Nelson_Jackson in 1903.

agesilaus wrote:
So how does GM expect to add 100,000 electric charging stations at say $2,000,000 each

From Tesla's own financials:
"Anyway, I decide to check Tesla's own statements on capital spending. Apparently, 5% of capex (or $75 million for 2015) will be devoted to Superchargers. And the network will expand 50% from 333 stations at the beginning of the year. I bring out the calculator and... so... that's actually $450,000 per site."

And note those are 2015 prices not 2020

And I doubt that number includes the price of a piece of prime real estate on busy roads. You couldn't buy a phone booth for that price in San Francisco or Seattle. I don't trust a word out of Musk's mouth.

Still that's less than my assumption.

Looks like GM is trying to be at the forefront of the future move to all electric. And despite the naysayers, that is the future.

Hi,

You are off by a factor of ten. Costs per charging station (with multiple bays) are currently between $100,000.00 and $270,000.00.

There are approximately 68,000 spots to charge at in USA. But most charging may happen at home, or at work. A plain jane 15 amp circuit provides about 35 miles of range over ten hours.

Cars, on average, are used for about 294 hours a year. Yup, less than an hour a day. That leaves plenty of time for low level charging.

I agree that hydrogen fueling is at the moment difficult. But remember the first trans American road trip purchased gas from small town general stores.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Nelson_Jackson in 1903.

agesilaus wrote:
So how does GM expect to add 100,000 electric charging stations at say $2,000,000 each

There are at least six "pick up" type Bev's expected to be on the market by 2021. Rivian says 2020.

I think the transition from ice to bev may happen rather quickly.

Volkswagen, for example, have ceased development of future ICE devices.

Bev appears to be a disruptive technology. The autoworkers union are NOT in favor of bev's.

"General Motors plans to go 100 percent electric, the Detroit automaker announced Monday.

GM currently offers one extended-range electric vehicle, the Chevrolet Bolt EV, but will add two others within 18 months, said Executive Vice President Mark Reuss, with “at least 20” to be in the line-up by 2023. In addition, the company is developing a new truck platform powered by hydrogen fuel cells, dubbed Surus, short for Silent Utility Rover Universal Superstructure." CBS News

There is no hydrogen fuel infrastructure in this country. It is very hard to transport and store and cannot be compressed enough to give a vehicle long range. And maybe you want a 10,000 psi tank of hydrogen in the bed of your truck, I know I do not.

And for that matter the electric recharge infrastructure in the US is almost non existent. Just read what people with an electric vehicle have to go thru to travel cross country.

So how does GM expect to add 100,000 electric charging stations at say $2,000,000 each plus a hydrogen charging station at that much or more. Thats $400,000,000,000. And that still won't match the gas station infrastructure.

It's idiocy. But as has been long understood: "Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad"

Or in the modern form: "Go woke, go broke!"

He does not know that an electric motor is the real motor! For years we have confused an Internal Combustion Engine as a motor.

My gosh, it's a wonder the whole article isn't in caps. Talk about hysteria, nonsense, and plain old "The sky is falling" crapola.

In one sentence he's stating that GM is done, and the next statement is GM isn't really going all electric, and will have a mix of vehicles. If you looked up the definition of "hyperbole" in the dictionary, this article will be it.

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