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mguay
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Feb 11, 2014

Oil Undercoating Nightmare

My LBZ wasn't undercoated/oiled and after replacing all the brake lines, tranny lines and fuel lines, the wife wanted me to get the LML oiled. I took it to the local guy, that I've known for over 30yrs and know numerous people that have had their rigs done. When I had him do it, in OCT, I told him to go light on it as we head to Florida for the month of March and I didn't want it leaking out of everything.
In the beginning of Dec we had a day that was in the 40's and it was pouring out of everywhere! The headlights, the front bumper, the marker lights on the dually fenders and the tailgate. I asked him about it and he said sometimes that happens when it gets cold right after he does it. OK so before I go south I'll put it in the garage and crank the heat to help it "leak".
In the meantime I have been accumulating things to go on it. Edge CTS, CAI, Exhaust, Fuel filter door for inner fender, and a new Transfer Flow auxiliary tank.
So a couple of days ago, the temps had gone up to the low 30's so I head to the car wash and clean her up nice. While I'm there, I try to help the "leak" by trying to blast off the thick spots.....NOPE...that didn't work. I grab a gallon of Castrol Super clean and hose down the underside of the truck. Then when I get home I drag the big pressure washer out of the warm basement and let her have it. 2hrs later and I have the plastic inner fenders clean. Why he would spray the plastic...I have no idea. Still won't come off the frame and suspension components which it has grown to about 1/4" thick with mud and stuff.
I put it in the garage and put the heat on 80. 2 days later I go in and again it is "bleeding" from every orifice. I call my guy up and he tells me to "just wipe off the excess". OK! While removing the front passenger inner fender to install the fuel filter door, it hits the frame and knocks off some of the oil. I had to look at it twice because I didn't believe it. I was looking at bare frame! Where did the factory paint go? So I take a rag and wipe a spot about a foot away...bare frame again! The weld at the bump stop looked like it was just done today! So I call him up and he is puzzled. He asked me to wipe it somewhere else. I go to the drivers side and guess what? Bare frame!

He then tells me the product is called NaviGuard Rustproofer L.

I google searched it and can't find any info on it. Have you ever heard of it or who makes it?

He originally told me that he used Fluid Film. Which I researched before I had it done and liked how it looked. This stuff that he used looks like I drove it through the swamp and never washed it off.

I am so anal about how clean my truck is, my dealer puts my trades in the showroom!

Now I find out that since '10 GM has been using a wax based product on the frames. Guess what happens to wax when you put a petroleum product on it? Now I have an oil/undercoated truck that the oil is eating the factory wax and falling off...right to the bare metal!

This is driving me crazy!!!!!!!!!!!! Do I call my Attorney or my Insurance company? The guy is giving me the "Deer in the headlights" answers and I think he is way over his head.
  • I have no idea how you're going to fix your problem but I would advise you don't come to Ca until your truck stops "leaking." The powers that be around here don't take too kindly about things that leak. Haz-mat is expensive! :E

    We even have to tarp our paving machines when parked for the night. :E

    I don't know about other brands but I have never seen power coating on any GM truck frame. About all I have seen is some super cheap drip coating..............if that. In fact a lot of my truck is bare metal; things like drive shaft, spindles, ect, ect, ect were bare metal right from the factory. :M Made me real happy when I did my fist oil change and saw rust everywhere on a new truck. :o
  • I think that you are just going to have to suck it up and get over it.
    Come summer get underneath with a can of black frame paint and go to work.
    I don't understand this oil coat nonsense, I live in NY which paves the roads with salt each winter, and I never have a rusty vehicle. Just wash the thing once a week with the effort spent on the chassis and body cavities.
  • mguay wrote:
    grandpaswagon wrote:
    QUOTE: "I took it to the local guy, that I've known for over 30yrs"

    Is this a business? Can he or his insurance (?) cover the expense to "fix" things? You get a lawyer, you begin down a different path where probably no one wins but the barrister. Try to work it out and hope those 30 years will mean something.

    I don't think your insurance will do anything.


    The only business part is that I paid him to do it. He does it on the side and covers about 20-30 vehicles a year.

    I'm hoping that he went home last night and talked about it to his wife. She is the voice or reason at his house.


    What your saying is you took your pride and joy to a unlicensed , uninsured,unregulated guy and you got bad results, because the owner was uninformed.
  • grandpaswagon wrote:
    QUOTE: "I took it to the local guy, that I've known for over 30yrs"

    Is this a business? Can he or his insurance (?) cover the expense to "fix" things? You get a lawyer, you begin down a different path where probably no one wins but the barrister. Try to work it out and hope those 30 years will mean something.

    I don't think your insurance will do anything.


    The only business part is that I paid him to do it. He does it on the side and covers about 20-30 vehicles a year.

    I'm hoping that he went home last night and talked about it to his wife. She is the voice or reason at his house.
  • I looked for the MSDS sheet http://www.chevronmarineproducts.com/docs/Chevron_RustProofCompoundL._v1111A_Lo.pdf
  • QUOTE: "I took it to the local guy, that I've known for over 30yrs"

    Is this a business? Can he or his insurance (?) cover the expense to "fix" things? You get a lawyer, you begin down a different path where probably no one wins but the barrister. Try to work it out and hope those 30 years will mean something.

    I don't think your insurance will do anything.
  • Call your insurance, and chalk it up as a mistake. I don't think its reasonable to expect a shop like that to know the chemical makeup of every make and model out there. Wax is hardly ever used anymore. Nearly all truck frames are powder-coated from the factory now, so I could understand how a small shop would not expect that.

    You asked him to do a service, and he did, at least that's how I interpret it.