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Jun 24, 2018

Passport 2400bh or Apex 245bhs and tow question

First off, hello from a new joiner! My wife, 7yo son and I already enjoy camping in a Coachmen Apex Nano 193bhs. When we bought it a year and a half ago, it was the only camper that checked all of our must have boxes. A slide out, bunks, regular bed and mattress, very towable, full bath. We have had a lot of great experiences with it. But..... while searching for other related rv stuff, I came across the newly released Apex Nano 208bhs. The 208 offers everything we would have changed about our 193 and fixes some gripes, plus adds a couple other nice features with only a couple small drawbacks. I don't need to get into any of that however, as after towing my 193 around I feel I can handle a bigger camper than the 208 anyway. I think. So, my first question is, how reasonable is towing a 4700# dry weight camper with my 2016 Chevy Colorado? It has the gas V6 and is rated for 7000# towing and 1580# payload. Mine also has the 6 speed auto. The numbers support either of the campers I have in mind, but there is somewhat mixed feelings about its capability online. I would like to hear from real world users towing similarly sized rvs with my truck before I get into something that is a little more than I should. We would like to take a multiple hundred mile trip next year that I am mostly worried about. Normally we camp close to home and it won't be an issue if it's close to max for those times.

Part two is, after researching a lot of campers, I have narrowed my choices to the Keystone Passport 2400bh and the Apex 245bhs. If my truck is appropriate. I will not be changing my vehicle, regardless. I have ruled out all campers at or nearer to 5000#. If these are more than I should handle, I will consider the 208 or possibly staying with the 193. Of the two, which would you recommend? Especially if you have owned either. Both have a ton of positives over each other. Some negatives and some unknowns. I will list my feelings on each for those unfamiliar and to better understand my preferences.

Apex 245bhs.
Frameless window option. Very sharp looking.
Outdoor shower location at rear and near camp kitchen. (2400 backside)
Power jack.
Front bedroom has open shelf above head with power for stuff.
10' 2" height MIGHT fit in 10' tall door. (2400 10'8" no hope)
Bunks have shelves with power outlet near for electronics and stuff.
Has regular drawers in kitchen, not hidden in-cabinet drawers.
Slide out has small cabinets in corners for extra storage.
TV spins to bedroom or living area.
Sink is recessed for flat surface with cover. (2400bh raised sink)
90" wide may help for towing visibility and economy. (But less room)
Counter protrudes less into open area for more room. (2400 L-shape sticks out)

Passport 2400bh.
96" wide likely will feel roomier but create towing concerns.
Axles are further apart for help with controlling sway.
Camp kitchen has sink. (245 does not)
Under bunk storage. (245 does not)
Much larger counter space.
Bunk lights can be reached without crawling in.
Camp kitchen has slide out trays, really increasing utility.
Front bedroom has sliding doors. (245 has curtains)
Pantry shelves can be removed and has bar for hanging clothes.

I do not know if the 245 has an enclosed underbelly. The 2400 advertises it does.
245 slide out floor is raised as compared to flush on 2400. I do not know which is better.
2400 looks to have stove for camp kitchen. 245 has removable grill. I a can see both being beneficial.
I am assuming that they can be purchased for similar enough price that it will be irrelevant. If there is more than a $2500 difference, it will change considerations.

I am leaning toward one more than the other already, but don't want to bias responses that will affirm or dissuade based on my preference.

Anyone that read this whole post and/or replies, thank you so much for your time!
  • Don't see an issue, but be aware there are those that will spew doom and gloom if not towing with a 1/2 ton or bigger. That being said we've found that if you add 1,000lbs to the dry weight, you'll be close to a ready to camp weight rather than at GVWR. That was true with our 3 C/O's, 5er's, and Moho's, they all came in around 1K over dry or around 400-600lbs above wet, some units had HUGE water tanks.
  • Yeah, if you're towing with a full water tank that definitely jacks up the weight. (8.3 lbs a gallon for water). We won't do that for sure. We also try to make some choices to keep weight down, even in our small camper. I certainly hope we don't cross 1000 extra pounds, but I've never weighed our camper loaded either. Maybe I'll get it done before we go out (next week). That will give me an accurate idea of what I will have in any subsequent camper. Thanks for your input! Hopefully, some others will have thoughts on loaded weights too.
  • I've weighed mine, and it weighs every bit of #5000+... Don't know how all the weight adds up so fast, but I weigh with a full fresh tank of water, which I ALWAYS carry (30 gallons) so that's just part of the deal.

    I have made a lot of mods to the trailer that has added weight and I take way too much stuff that I don't even use most of the time, but when it's needed, I am glad I have it.. :)

    I like to cook with cast iron pans on the fire pit and on the camp stove, so there is that.. I have a HOME queen size bed mattress that is a lot heavier than the thing that came with the trailer.. I use real glass drinking glasses and Corelle plates and dishes, actual metal flatware and on and on...

    I've been "camping" since I was a kid with my folks and I'm 55 years old now, so I've been thru it all and this is just the way that works for me.. :)

    I won't even go into what I take in the bed of the truck! ha, ha!! I have half of my tools in the bed! "Just in case".. :)

    I don't know how many times I've helped fellow campers with tools and other stuff I just happen to have and they didn't.. Makes me feel good and I enjoy the whole experience all that much better...

    How many of you would be able to handle your grey tank falling out of your trailer while parked in camp?? I did it.. Twice! All on a Sunday, with just my wife and I and all that extra stuff I haul along..

    The reason I had to do it twice was the fist time, I didn't take the time while at home to check the fix and make sure the screws I used didn't back out the next year!

    Anyway, do what you need to do to enjoy your camping experience. That's all I can say and I tow what I tow with what I tow with it for my own enjoyment.

    Mitch
  • My understanding of GVWR is the maximum the weakest part of the unit can support. Be it the tires or the axles or the frame itself. The 245 has a gross weight of 6500#. I could not find the gross weight on the 2400, but it does say it has a 2070# carrying capacity. That leads me to believe its gross weight is between 6500 and 7500 lbs. There is no way I am loading a trailer with 1800-2100# of stuff. I am surprised that you are getting 1400# in yours, unless I am misunderstanding what you are saying. The GVWR again, I believe, is maximum recommended. Not how much it ways when loaded. If you don't fill your fresh water tank or pull with full black/gray tank it's unlikely any of us are getting near our GVWR. I do realize though a 4700# camper will be significantly heavier loaded. I am figuring 500 to 1000 lbs though. Maybe others can shed some light on this and share their thoughts on how much heavier a loaded trailer is than its dry weight.
  • I did read thru your whole post and can not comment on the individual trailers in question... I'm still running with my first TT I bought brand new back in 2002 and it's still in great condition and all I need.. :)

    What I caught in your post was that one of those trailers has a #4700 DRY WEIGHT rating.. What's it's GVWR? I know most folks don't tow a TT to go camping at it's dry weight.. ;)

    Going to tow it with a 2016 Chevy Colorado.. While those are nice rigs, and current day V6 engines have a lot of power, I think you will be able to get down the road, but how are you about putting your foot to the floor, 4k rpm + at times and being basically maxed out weight wise??

    Not saying it can't tow it.. Just saying that I have done that before, and even for a 100 mile trip, it's not that much fun... Sure, you get to your destination, but I like the road trip part as much as I like the destination.

    My TT has a dry weight of around #3600 and it weighs every bit if it's #5000 GVWR, if not a tad over after all these years..

    Anyway, towing performance is completely subjective to say the least, from one tower to the other, so you just gotta take whatever responses you get with a grain of salt and decide from there...

    Good luck!

    Mitch