Quality

DakotaDad wrote:

Bumpyroad wrote:

DakotaDad wrote:

But the article uses Brooke Melton to personalize the issue. s.

yep, that is my main issue with this, using a tear jerking editorial instead of a true scientific report.
what was the time line on this incident? did it occur after the replacement key hold fillers were made available?
bumpy

The science is there... Just gotta read down to it.

did the article discuss whether or not she had her seat belt on?
bumpy

Bumpyroad wrote:

DakotaDad wrote:

But the article uses Brooke Melton to personalize the issue. s.

yep, that is my main issue with this, using a tear jerking editorial instead of a true scientific report.
what was the time line on this incident? did it occur after the replacement key hold fillers were made available?
bumpy

The science is there... Just gotta read down to it.

DakotaDad wrote:

But the article uses Brooke Melton to personalize the issue. s.

yep, that is my main issue with this, using a tear jerking editorial instead of a true scientific report.
what was the time line on this incident? did it occur after the replacement key hold fillers were made available?
bumpy

goducks10 wrote:
Too bad there wasn't a report on initial quality in RV's. Oh wait that's an oxymoron. :)

I know which brand would be dead last......

transamz9 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
The problem with the 05 Ram we recently purchased is the entire top of the dashboard from the middle to the passenger side is entirely gone due to the dash cracking and falling apart. The 07 Ram is ok but has a carpet liner on the dash it's entire life.

I would have to say that CR reports appear more accurate to me than JD Powers per our experience.

It just makes zero sense to me why in the world you guys keep buying trucks that have always been proven to be junk! I just don't understand........

We needed a non dpf equipped diesel work truck with a working AC and having a complete dashboard or paint quality was low on the priority. The 07 has been a good truck, but then again it had a aftermarket transmission installed by the original owner.

Bumpyroad wrote:


I skimmed thru the article and didn't notice if they said how many pounds of trinkets were on her key chain.

don't really see how hydroplaning was caused by the keys? She was speeding, was unlucky.


bumpy

It's in the article.

The reading showed that between three and four seconds before the crash, the speed of Brooke’s Cobalt had dropped from 58 miles per hour to a standstill

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The position of Brooke’s key proved equally perplexing. At impact, the key was not in the on position but the accessory position—where you can turn on your lights or radio, but the engine itself isn’t running.

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When a key slipped from the on position while a car was in motion, it meant the loss of power steering and power brakes, increasing the likelihood of drivers losing control of their vehicles. It also meant a loss of power to the sensors that deploy the front airbags. Even more surprising, Cooper discovered, was that GM knew about the airbag problem and kept tabs on the potential link to a rising death toll that began at least five years before Brooke’s crash.

And then the Ford Focus hit her.

So what happened? Was she speeding and hydroplaning? Or did she lose control of steering and brakes as her speed dropped from the stopped engie, and then was hit? The article never really makes it clear. In either case, the airbags did not work as they should have.

Other articles make it clearer that the accident was cause by her car stalling, not hydroplaning. But this article doesn't do a good job of that. Here's a better description of the accident:

Brooke Melton accident

But the article uses Brooke Melton to personalize the issue. They could have chosen any of the 123 other fatalities.

The real story there is the legal battle, and the discovery of the ignition problems, and delayed fix.

GM's lawyers surely would have tried the "heavy keychain defense" if it would have been a valid argument.

But then, we'd likely have ended up with yellow payload stickers on our ignitions on all three brands.

DakotaDad wrote:





No Accident: Inside GM’s deadly ignition switch scandal

I skimmed thru the article and didn't notice if they said how many pounds of trinkets were on her key chain.

don't really see how hydroplaning was caused by the keys? She was speeding, was unlucky.
bumpy

Bumpyroad wrote:

TurnThePage wrote:
And yet nutz also thinks that GM's ignition switch fiasco that killed and maimed people was the victim's fault. Even though GM admitted their wrong doing.

IIRC the victims were primarily females that had 10 lbs. of trinkets/photos/etc. hanging on their key chains and that caused the problem.
bumpy

I saw a female lay her key chain on a table and might have her neighbor hood's keys because of so many.

chevman

Let's be a little objective. Women with 10 pounds of junk hanging off their keychains drive a lot more than GMs. They drive Hondas, and Toyotas, and Fords, and Dodges, and Kias. But that particular "quirk" only seemed to cause consistent problems with a particular set of GM ignitions, not all of them.

GM had an issue they tried to ignore. They knew about it. They got caught.

Ultimately, the smoking gun Cooper had been seeking, a document from a GM engineer that authorized changing the ignition switch, came by way of the congressional investigation. The 2006 work order, authorizing supplier Delphi to increase the torque force of its ignition switch, bore the signature of Ray DeGiorgio.

That wasn’t all. As it turned out, DeGiorgio’s 2006 order came four years after an email he wrote to the ignition switch manufacturer, in which he ordered the company, rather than fix the part and incur delays, to “do nothing.” The email was signed “Ray (tired of the switch from hell) DeGiorgio.”

No Accident: Inside GM’s deadly ignition switch scandal

This should not be mistaken as an attack on GM, or a suggestion that they are any different than any other manufacturer. It's easy to cite failures by GM, Ford and FCA. Large ones. None of them has an exclusively pristine record. We can hash some out for each brand, if necessary, but I hope that won't be needed.

The whole "my brand is best", taken to the extreme vitriol we see here at times, is counter productive.

transamz9 wrote:

Bumpyroad wrote:

TurnThePage wrote:
And yet nutz also thinks that GM's ignition switch fiasco that killed and maimed people was the victim's fault. Even though GM admitted their wrong doing.

IIRC the victims were primarily females that had 10 lbs. of trinkets/photos/etc. hanging on their key chains and that caused the problem.
bumpy

Bumpy, that's like saying that it was the vehicles fault that rear ended the Jeeps causing the gas tanks to leak and catch fire.

no, I think it is more like Darwin, the dumb shall perish. when a "fix" is to send out an insert that makes the hole small and round. and your logic with gas tanks makes no sense, but then of course you knew that.
and I believe that the gas tank explosions was due to using the top of the gas tank as the bottom of the "trunk" area. not fixable with a piece of plastic.
bumpy