Quality

Initial quality is prety much useless to me. I want to see how they're holding up with 50K and 100K on them.

Too bad there wasn't a report on initial quality in RV's. Oh wait that's an oxymoron. :)

Chris Bryant wrote:
Interesting- Consumer Reports lists the Ram 2500 in the bottom 10 for reliability.

Consumer Reports also lists the Chevy Cruze as reliable at # 3, but that's a 2017. Go look at their reliability in 2011. 2/5?

I figure I wouldn't ask magazine producers or websites on how reliable a vehicle is, perhaps the mechanics who work on them, or the number of recalls and their severity might be a little better indicator. If you take care of a vehicle it'll last.

Also of note, this is "initial" quality and Ford and RAM are tied in that department. I know several people who might disagree on that ;)

coolmom42 wrote:

I just wish Toyota hadn't buggered up the 4Runner with a horrible 7 pin connector and a hitch that isn't designed for weight distribution.

is that 7 pin connector different from the one on my Tacoma and if so, what is the issue.
bumpy

JD Power looks at NEW vehicles. I've never been able to figure out what their criteria are.

Consumer Reports uses surveys of actual owners, over a 10 year period of time. I know, I've participated in 2 of them. So they are looking at real data.

I don't care much about what a vehicle does at zero miles---I want to know what it does at 200K miles.

I just wish Toyota hadn't buggered up the 4Runner with a horrible 7 pin connector and a hitch that isn't designed for weight distribution.

Interesting- Consumer Reports lists the Ram 2500 in the bottom 10 for reliability.