I was doing my pre-camper load up tire pressure ,check lug nuts torque etc. when I came to 2 lugs that didn't seem right. I was not able to get them to spec's. As it turned out it appears that the shop that did my front end alignment over tightened the nuts to the point that they are almost 1/4" deeper than the rest and that is without getting them to torque spec's. I will be taking the truck back to the shop that did this tomorrow. These are brand spanking new wheels and tires and this is the only time that they would have been removed. I had checked the torque on them right after I got them and all was good then.I have had problems in the past with tire shops that is why I always check. My question is what type of lug nuts did they use on your Vision wheels? Here is a link to the ones that they used on mine: http://www.visionwheel.com/accessories/ I didn't think it would be possible to bury a lug nut into a rim like this without snapping the lug.Any other suggestions would be helpful as I we planned on leaving Thurs. of next week but it may not happen. I forgot to mention that the part no. on the lug nut is 3809L

When you loosened the nuts that were recessed were they REALLY tight?Was there a lot of galling of the wheel's aluminum lug mating surface?I have taken mine off several times for various reasons, never seen anything like what you described. I would call Vision and see what they say.. I would be very wary that the lugs recessed that bad. The only way they get recessed is by OVER torquing. The shop that did this is going to go into denial mode eh?My lugs are the same as yours.Jim

Thanks Jim,No they were not overly tight almost all the lugs needed to be tightened but when I got to these 2 I new something was wrong after I tried to tighten them and the wrench never "clicked" I thought the stud was stripped so I took the nuts off and that was when I saw what was happening. It was as if the nut sank into the aluminum,I didn't think that could happen. The guy must have been on his cell phone or something. I was using a Snap-on torque wrench by the way.

Tamnative wrote:Thanks Jim,No they were not overly tight almost all the lugs needed to be tightened but when I got to these 2 I new something was wrong after I tried to tighten them and the wrench never "clicked" I thought the stud was stripped so I took the nuts off and that was when I saw what was happening. It was as if the nut sank into the aluminum,I didn't think that could happen. The guy must have been on his cell phone or something. I was using a Snap-on torque wrench by the way.The aluminum that gets displaced by the nut recessing because of over torque should have caused a bulge around the perimeter...and should be very visible!If it is not maybe vision did it in the mfg process.... Did you make sure that your lug nuts are all the same length.. hahaaaaa just asking in case!Jim

Are you sure the front tires came off for an alignment? I don't think that is standard practice. I would pull the wheels and compare the lug surfaces and wheel mounting surface. Mine are on and off a couple times a year without issue.

AH64ID wrote:Are you sure the front tires came off for an alignment? I don't think that is standard practice. I would pull the wheels and compare the lug surfaces and wheel mounting surface. Mine are on and off a couple times a year without issue.They had to pull a tire off to check for balancing as there were no weights on the wheel,turned out that they used "beads"for balancing.

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Tamnative
Explorer
Aug 03, 2015
wcjeep wrote:
This really sounds like the lug nuts were NOT torqued to spec. When the wheel starts to wobble the lug nuts start removing aluminum. This makes it impossible to torque later. The wheel sounds like it's done. Be sure to fully inspect the studs for damage. With Aluminum wheels all lug nuts must be properly tightened. Steel wheels are more forgiving.

I have done this type of damage on my offroad Jeep. Entirely my fault.

I took the truck in had new Vision wheels and new tires installed.
Drove approx.5mi. home checked the torque with a Snap-on torque wrench and brought to 150 lbs. none were loose it left the shop with about 100-125 lbs. (just a guess).
I then took it to get the front aligned and have them check the wheels for balancing as they had no weights, they found that a balancing beads were used when they checked ( I assume they only had to check one tire to determine this).
I then drove 2 miles home and rechecked the torque that is when I found the problem on the right front wheel with the 2 lugs.
So this is what is leading me to believe that it was done with a lug gun at the alignment shop. I don't think I have put 50 mi.on the truck since I got the wheels.
bigfootford
Nomad II
Aug 03, 2015
Tamnative wrote:
bigfootford wrote:
Tamnative wrote:
Thanks Jim,
No they were not overly tight almost all the lugs needed to be tightened but when I got to these 2 I new something was wrong after I tried to tighten them and the wrench never "clicked" I thought the stud was stripped so I took the nuts off and that was when I saw what was happening. It was as if the nut sank into the aluminum,I didn't think that could happen. The guy must have been on his cell phone or something. I was using a Snap-on torque wrench by the way.

The aluminum that gets displaced by the nut recessing because of over torque should have caused a bulge around the perimeter...and should be very visible!

If it is not maybe vision did it in the mfg process....

Did you make sure that your lug nuts are all the same length..

hahaaaaa just asking in case!

Jim

They are all the same nuts. I will check for bulges but the way the wheel is made it may not show.

Just a thought,maybe it was caused when they put it on the balancing machine?

The lug nuts that I have are the same as yours according to the part number.. That said they are taper mating not flush/flat...

Depending on the truck, mine and yours are not hub centric, at least mine are not....

When I mount my tires I am always cautions to work the nuts down and center the rim to the nuts. Some shops, I have watched them put aluminum wheels on without centering manually... ugggg.. Steel rims center pretty good, Aluminum not so good and will gouge the mating surface.

Jim
Tamnative
Explorer
Aug 04, 2015
AH64ID wrote:
Due to the amount of force required to compress a wheel I would not suspect the alignment company, but rather a defective stud, lug nut, or wheel.

If it is the wheel there will be multiple indications once you remove the wheel from the truck.

As you can see the wheel mounting surface of the rim is quite thick.

Does anyone have a photo of the back side of a Vision Ford wheel?
The wheel here has a nice flat surface that mounts to the hub.
The wheels that I have, have a recess behind the lug hole the size of a large thick washer. The lug nut started to pull through and there are stress cracks around the hole. The wheel does not look like it was made right.
AH64ID
Explorer
Aug 04, 2015
Did you check your other 3?
Tamnative
Explorer
Aug 04, 2015
Not yet
Tamnative
Explorer
Aug 06, 2015
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AH64ID wrote:
Did you check your other 3?

This is what the other 3 look like from the back,notice the machining around each lug.

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Tamnative
Explorer
Aug 06, 2015
I can never get the pictures from photobucket to post.
luv2skyski
Explorer
Aug 06, 2015

When posting from Photobucket:
Under "share links" - upper right - copy the "direct" link (you should only have to single click and it will automatically copy). Now on rv.net click the little envelope/mountain icon (5th from left) and paste the link then hit finished. I've never had a lot of luck with the IMG link. For some reason it works at first then it stops working in a couple of hours. Weird.

Dave.

Thanks Dave, then change the width to 640.

Wayne
Moderator
Tamnative
Explorer
Aug 06, 2015
Thanks
bigfootford
Nomad II
Aug 06, 2015
What the heck are the recessed part for in each hole?

My rims are not like that nor are Tamnative's. Is it the difference of ford etc?

BTW, when you post a picture, put 640 into the width (not height) and the pix will fit better and Reddog1 will not have to work so hard.....Believe me he goes way beyond duty moderating this TC forum... I personally could not do it....

Jim

Thanks Jim.

Wayne
Moderator