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2112 wrote:
atvanish wrote:
CKNSLS wrote:
The attitudes here are why this forum doesn't grow or new members are chased away. It's the attitude. It comes out on gas verses diesel. Half tons verses the world, try mounting Chinese Tires (like Sampsons that have a decent reputation) and see what posts you get. That's why the forum basically stays at the same number of total pages....IT'S THE ATTITUDE.
Honestly I think you're right... It gets downright hilarious, childish and sometimes downright frustrating. I know it pushed me away for quite some time and I've returned (while trying to learn/research some items) to see the same people arguing the same points. I know it's a free world and if I don't like it - I don't have to read it or can leave again.. Just sayin'...
Drifting off topic again:
I have two friends that refuse to post here. I asked one this weekend to log on and extend his personal experience on a certain topic and he declined, offering a valid explanation.
He did however read the thread and called me to point out the arguing and disrespect emitted on that one thread is the exact reason he no longer participates here.
Now, back to 1/2 ton diesels. Kudos to Dodge!
YEP! As I said.atvanish wrote:
CKNSLS wrote:
The attitudes here are why this forum doesn't grow or new members are chased away. It's the attitude. It comes out on gas verses diesel. Half tons verses the world, try mounting Chinese Tires (like Sampsons that have a decent reputation) and see what posts you get. That's why the forum basically stays at the same number of total pages....IT'S THE ATTITUDE.
Honestly I think you're right... It gets downright hilarious, childish and sometimes downright frustrating. I know it pushed me away for quite some time and I've returned (while trying to learn/research some items) to see the same people arguing the same points. I know it's a free world and if I don't like it - I don't have to read it or can leave again.. Just sayin'...
Drifting off topic again:
I have two friends that refuse to post here. I asked one this weekend to log on and extend his personal experience on a certain topic and he declined, offering a valid explanation.
He did however read the thread and called me to point out the arguing and disrespect emitted on that one thread is the exact reason he no longer participates here.
Now, back to 1/2 ton diesels. Kudos to Dodge!Mike Up wrote:
The 3.0L falls short. When most were wanting a 1/2 ton diesel, I think most had in mind a diesel with over 4.0L displacement. While significantly smaller than the 6.0L - 7.0L 3/4 ton diesel engines, it should at least make 300 hp and 600 lbs of torque to better the gassers. I don't think most were thinking of this little anemic 3.0L that can't even match the gassers with torque or horsepower. :R
I can deal with not being the fastest up the hill.....They are building to a PRICE POINT. I do not want a MONSTER TRUCK. I just finished a 8,000 miles towing trip across the U.S. with my 2011 Chevrolet Silverado half ton (5.3-2WD). I drove this truck another 10,000 miles "touring/sightseeing". So total miles on this half ton was 18,000 miles on the trip.It performed flawlessly-not even a flat tire.
That's what I am talking about. Something that gets the job done I can park in my garage and doesn't cost a fortune to buy and maintain.- The 3.0L falls short. When most were wanting a 1/2 ton diesel, I think most had in mind a diesel with over 4.0L displacement. While significantly smaller than the 6.0L - 7.0L 3/4 ton diesel engines, it should at least make 300 hp and 600 lbs of torque to better the gassers. I don't think most were thinking of this little anemic 3.0L that can't even match the gassers with torque or horsepower. :R
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I think that the overdue introduction of 1/2 ton diesel pick-ups is a great idea. With a little luck, the Ram 1500 will be enough of a roaring success that we will see some competition from Ford and GM. There is a good chance that the Dodge board-room made the decision because of Ford's Ecoboost, and Ford stuck their neck out because of looming changes per "greening" up the world.
Diesel power makes sense because there is more BTUs in every gallon and it sells for a similar price to gasoline. Besides our personal tow vehicles, we have a wimpy Prius and we can almost drive our RV for free occasional use with what we save on fuel over ordinary cars. For instance, last trip to the VA was over 50 mpg/highway. There is no doubt that the low-priced little car is astounding for its low maintenance and minimal fuel costs. It is, by far, still the best at what it does. But it is only good for people hauling; not towing.
On the other hand, we have a V-10 Excursion, pretty much the SUV chassis choice for dedicated towing. Fuel mileage sucks empty or not. It gets maybe 14 mpg empty, and the best I've gotten towing our 30 footer was a corrected 9.8 mpg, no wind, 50-55 mph coming home. Going to camp was 6.5 mpg at 60 mph with a 10-12 mph headwind.
So we recently picked up an early, low hp, 7.3 Ford diesel crew cab. A preliminary short-run tow test indicates it has less initial zip than the V-10 Excursion, but I noticed the diesel holds overdrive on most ND interstate hills where the Ex won't. The stinky oil-burner runs right near the top torque band at 60 mph in overdrive. My hope is to get about 12 mpg at very moderate 55-60 mph speeds. Like some on here, I'm never in a hurry anymore.
Too bad they don't make a diesel Prius. That would be the ultimate city car. Now I know some folks don't like them after all the negative pro-carbon ad campaigns, but between new tow offerings, such as the Ram 1500 diesel, and improved sedans, we could, maybe overall as a nation... burn about half the fuel we do now. And leave some for our grandkids.
Wes babies_dadeo wrote:
I actually started reading this tread with a degree of interest, but not going to lie, by page 4 or so, it started degrading into "my truck is better then that" and I started fast forwarding...
Going back to the beginning... I really like the idea of a half ton diesel. NOT just because of the numbers... but rather how those numbers are achieved. One of the greatest things about big diesels is not just that they have huge torque numbers, but that they produce that torque at relatively low RPMs. In a case like this, if I can get a truck that will do at 1800 rpm what my gas half ton does at 3500 rpm and has an 8 speed tranny, simple logic dictates that the diesel is going to pull better. Will it perform as well spun right out of a monster hill? Who cares. For me it would be a question of "Does the truck feel like it is killing itself to pull the trailer?"
My gut tells me that because of the flatter torque curve of diesels, a half ton diesel would be a fantastic product. I have the big truck to pull my trailer, but when it comes time to replace the 1500, one of these might be just what the doctor ordered. Kudos to Ram for getting out in front of the market.
I agree. I can deal with not being the fastest up the hill...my manhood is not threatened. If it can pull at a decent speed on flat land that's is all I am concerned about. The big question is-What will the payload numbers look like? I wouldn't want to see much less than 1,500 to 1,400 pounds. That would make it competitive will most half tons out there. Of course, more would be nice.- I actually started reading this tread with a degree of interest, but not going to lie, by page 4 or so, it started degrading into "my truck is better then that" and I started fast forwarding...
Going back to the beginning... I really like the idea of a half ton diesel. NOT just because of the numbers... but rather how those numbers are achieved. One of the greatest things about big diesels is not just that they have huge torque numbers, but that they produce that torque at relatively low RPMs. In a case like this, if I can get a truck that will do at 1800 rpm what my gas half ton does at 3500 rpm and has an 8 speed tranny, simple logic dictates that the diesel is going to pull better. Will it perform as well spun right out of a monster hill? Who cares. For me it would be a question of "Does the truck feel like it is killing itself to pull the trailer?"
My gut tells me that because of the flatter torque curve of diesels, a half ton diesel would be a fantastic product. I have the big truck to pull my trailer, but when it comes time to replace the 1500, one of these might be just what the doctor ordered. Kudos to Ram for getting out in front of the market. - I agree with 2112 if the folks want a 1500 diesel make it and hope it is a great idea to do well for their product.
Chevman atvanish wrote:
CKNSLS wrote:
The attitudes here are why this forum doesn't grow or new members are chased away. It's the attitude. It comes out on gas verses diesel. Half tons verses the world, try mounting Chinese Tires (like Sampsons that have a decent reputation) and see what posts you get. That's why the forum basically stays at the same number of total pages....IT'S THE ATTITUDE.
Honestly I think you're right... It gets downright hilarious, childish and sometimes downright frustrating. I know it pushed me away for quite some time and I've returned (while trying to learn/research some items) to see the same people arguing the same points. I know it's a free world and if I don't like it - I don't have to read it or can leave again.. Just sayin'...
It's mainly here in the Tow Vehicle section. I don't notice it so much in other areas. I chock it up to passion for the brand of truck each of us owns, which runs high in America, as well as the anonymity of the internet. It definitely boils over a lot here though.
This thread has drifted off topic, which happens quite a bit also.- my vw passat requires 0w40 .502 spec oil. I pay anywhere between 75 to 100 every 7k.
