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PButler96 wrote:
Tvov wrote:
In Connecticut, the cost of diesel is running well over $1 more per gallon than regular gas.
Whatever mpg gains you get are not enough to offset that. No one I know is even thinking of looking at a diesel pickup truck these days.
You may not know anyone but I know plenty, myself included. The waiting list is long for any in a dealer allocation. If one is not spoken for (good luck finding one of those) hits the dealers lot, it's gone the same day, and usually with a big market adjustment tacked on over MSRP.
That was kinda funny. Obviously Tvov hangs more in the Prius circles of folks than the truck owners…. Tvov wrote:
In Connecticut, the cost of diesel is running well over $1 more per gallon than regular gas.
Whatever mpg gains you get are not enough to offset that. No one I know is even thinking of looking at a diesel pickup truck these days.
You may not know anyone but I know plenty, myself included. The waiting list is long for any in a dealer allocation. If one is not spoken for (good luck finding one of those) hits the dealers lot, it's gone the same day, and usually with a big market adjustment tacked on over MSRP.- JRscoobyExplorer II
opnspaces wrote:
dodge guy wrote:
Coming from a certified diesel tech, great!!! Any diesel with the word ECO in its name is a ticking time bomb!
Even the newer HD diesels aren’t as reliable due to the emissions carp they slap onto it!
Kind of reminds you of the 70's when we smog equipment stated on gas burning cars. Performance went from decent to less than mediocre. But now, granted almost 50 years later the emissions are worked out and the cars perform better than ever and are more reliable to boot. Now it's the diesel engines turn. It will suck for a while, but the manufacturers will eventually get it right.
I have been saying this for a while. When the emission regs first hit cars, the manufactures tried to clean the exhaust, lost performance and economy. Many people started to buy pickups, that did not need to meet the standards. (Look at the average late '60s car/pickup then average mid '70s car/pickup. In 5-6 years the difference in comfort level disappeared) The increase in use of pickups caused standards to move up in weight rating.
Then economy standards, and price of gas, forced manufactures to clean up combustion instead of exhaust.
Now the manufactures are working to clean the exhaust. If everybody that did not need a diesel would stop buying they would work on cleaning combustion.
BTW, I don't think any RV is too heavy to move with a spark plug engine. Back in '73 I often pulled out of quarry grossing 110,000 got a speeding ticket grossing near 80,000. And that was with 427 GMC, with a carburetor, point and coil ignition. - TvovExplorer IIIn Connecticut, the cost of diesel is running well over $1 more per gallon than regular gas.
Whatever mpg gains you get are not enough to offset that. No one I know is even thinking of looking at a diesel pickup truck these days. Grit dog wrote:
dodge guy wrote:
Coming from a certified diesel tech, great!!! Any diesel with the word ECO in its name is a ticking time bomb!
Even the newer HD diesels aren’t as reliable due to the emissions carp they slap onto it!
Yeah, like most things, some have no issues and others do.
I wouldn’t call the eco diesel a disaster. I’d still take 1 or them over 3 6.0 or 6.4 Flowerjokes.
But they were not without their issues.
Or 6.7 Bluetec cummaparts. :W- 2112Explorer II
MitchF150 wrote:
I'm talking 2006-2011 timeframe. Before the 3.5L EB.2112 wrote:
The F150 had a 3.0 "Power Stroke" option from 2018-2021.I'm old enough to remember way back when on RV.net a lot of people said if they would just make a 1/2 ton diesel I would buy it.
I was holding out for a Ford F150 diesel but they brought out the EB instead. Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I'm old enough to remember way back when on RV.net a lot of people said if they would just make a 1/2 ton diesel I would buy it. Well, they made it and I guess a lot of those people were not telling the truth. Or not enough of them anyway.
Not so much people wouldn't buy a diesel. The Guberment regulations forced the manufacturers to undermine what would make a diesel a great option for a 1/2 ton truck. Then shocker...they were unreasonably expensive, less reliable and people didn't buy them.- opnspacesNavigator II
dodge guy wrote:
Coming from a certified diesel tech, great!!! Any diesel with the word ECO in its name is a ticking time bomb!
Even the newer HD diesels aren’t as reliable due to the emissions carp they slap onto it!
Kind of reminds you of the 70's when we smog equipment stated on gas burning cars. Performance went from decent to less than mediocre. But now, granted almost 50 years later the emissions are worked out and the cars perform better than ever and are more reliable to boot. Now it's the diesel engines turn. It will suck for a while, but the manufacturers will eventually get it right. - MitchF150Explorer III
mkirsch wrote:
MitchF150 wrote:
So, I remember that whole "If it came with a diesel, I'd get one too" said a lot as well..
To be fair, things changed. Pre-2007, it made sense. Then the 2007 emissions, and 2010 emissions, came along and the industry's solutions to those regulations have given diesels a bad rap and removed any financial benefit to owning one.
Then the manufacturers' offerings have been lackluster, overpriced, "plagued with issues" (perceived or real is irrelevant).
Yeah.. I only wanted a "V8" when I was looking for my next truck back in 2013.. Diesel was only for the "full float axle" guys as far as I was concerned. :)
My Dad had a 2005 3500 Dually Ram and I told him to just hang on to it, as it didn't use that DEF stuff.. He towed a BA 5th wheel at the time, so that's what he needed..
Took my chance on the little V6 twin turbo, as that's what was on the lot and had all the other stuff I wanted at a decent price..
EV is the next thing, but gonna be too old by then to care.. ha, ha.. I'll just hang on to my gas engine stuff as I'll never need a HD truck for what I do.
Mitch - Grit_dogNavigator
mkirsch wrote:
MitchF150 wrote:
So, I remember that whole "If it came with a diesel, I'd get one too" said a lot as well..
To be fair, things changed. Pre-2007, it made sense. Then the 2007 emissions, and 2010 emissions, came along and the industry's solutions to those regulations have given diesels a bad rap and removed any financial benefit to owning one.
Then the manufacturers' offerings have been lackluster, overpriced, "plagued with issues" (perceived or real is irrelevant).
Yup. 1 ruined trip or a plugged dpf out of warranty sure negates a lot of fuel savings.
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