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- Fuel prices will probably have an effect on sales in different areas and as diesel prices are all over the map in the US, they will sell better in some places than others. Over a third of VW's sold in Canada are diesel even though the number of available models is very limited. I see quite a few Q7 TDI's and Mercedes Bluetecs running around this part of the world. The new Q5 TDI's are on back order and Mercedes expects the diesel GLK to be its best selling version of that model.
It's also more than just fuel economy. Even though most diesels don't compete with their corresponding gas models when it comes to peak HP, because of their surplus of low and mid range torque they can put more power to the ground in the RPM ranges where we normally drive, making for a different and satisfying driving experience.
A better question might be, why are US diesel prices so far out of whack compared with the rest of the world and are Americans doomed to fewer choices and less efficient vehicles as a consequence?
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My experience with pre DPF TDI's was that they required less maintenance than the gas models. More frequent fuel filter changes but longer intervals between oil changes and timing belt replacement. itguy08 wrote:
Payback period : 11.98 years
Wait 2 months and run that same analysis. Look at the gasoline cost cycle (national average) how it spikes in April and September. Your snapshot is not helpful for long term fuel costs. Neither is a snapshot when gasoline is $4 and diesel is also $4.kmbelt wrote:
all of you that actually go by EPA ratings to be valid information are crazy. I have NEVER seen or heard of any vehicle actually hitting those numbers. I always feel that they are inflated by about 2+mpg.
Diesels actually have a reputation of meeting or exceeding those numbers. Check it out.- all of you that actually go by EPA ratings to be valid information are crazy. I have NEVER seen or heard of any vehicle actually hitting those numbers. I always feel that they are inflated by about 2+mpg.
itguy08 wrote:
Yup, diesel is gonna be a tougher sell in your neck of the woods. In my neck of the woods gas is 3.11 and diesel 3.63. Much, much quicker payback.
. . . So let's run the #'s again using the EPA since it's the same for all.....
We'll use this station as it's near me:
Local Gas station
Regular: $3.36
Diesel: $4.29
EPA:
F150 Ecoboost: 17 combined
Ram Ecodiesel: 23 combined
Ram 5.7/8 speed: 17 combined
15000 miles Ecoboost: 883 gallons * $3.36 = $2,964.70
15000 miles Ecodiesel: 653 gallons * $4.29 = $2,797.82
15000 miles Ram 5.7: 883 gallons * $3.36 = $2,964.90
Yearly savings: $166.88
Ecodiesel cost - $2k over Hemi
Payback period : 11.98 years
No thanks, I'll pass. I think most motorists will see 23 and go "yeah". Then look across the street at Diesel price and say "NOPE!".
I remember when the Diesel Jeeps were supposed to be the hottest thing. Now the local dealer is saying "Lots of Diesel Jeeps in stock now!"...
Your analysis aside, it's just a matter of time before some testing organization is gonna drag out the Ecoboost, the high-torque V8's, and the Ecodiesel, and do a head-to-head realworld MPG comparison test. My gut tells me the Ecodiesel is gonna do much better in the realworld than on paper.
I've driven quite a few Ecoboosts on long, commercial-type trips. You can't get an EPA MPG of 16/22 (2WD) unless you consciously try to--almost to the point of hypermiling. Test after test has shown the Ecoboost, in daily, crap, suburban type driving, gets the same 15 mpg that all the other high-torque V8's get. So far, a number of tests have shown the Ecodiesel is not nearly as temperamental and seems capable of meeting EPA MPG specs without much effort.
Your stats as of now are a valid argument (at least in your neck of the woods). But, the more things play out, I believe we're going to find they're not nearly as black & white as they seem.itguy08 wrote:
Ecodiesel cost - $2k over Hemi
Payback period : 11.98 years
I'm not questioning the numbers, but there is more to life than payback. Where I work, lots of people have 3/4 ton and 1 ton diesel trucks (Ford, GM, Ram). These are people who either don't own a trailer at all or only tow small utility trailers or small boats. They just simply want to own a diesel. I don't exactly know why, but they do. A 1/2 ton gas truck would be a lot cheaper to buy and own overall and would easily do the job.
If this is such a bad idea, then I wonder why Nissan is moving forward on their Titan/Cummins diesel.itguy08 wrote:
45Ricochet wrote:
Where the heck is ITGAL anyway :H After all he stated it was only a ad campaign from Dodge, err Ram or what ever name he wants to call them.
Right here pal! So let's run the #'s again using the EPA since it's the same for all.....
We'll use this station as it's near me:
Local Gas station
Regular: $3.36
Diesel: $4.29
EPA:
F150 Ecoboost: 17 combined
Ram Ecodiesel: 23 combined
Ram 5.7/8 speed: 17 combined
15000 miles Ecoboost: 883 gallons * $3.36 = $2,964.70
15000 miles Ecodiesel: 653 gallons * $4.29 = $2,797.82
15000 miles Ram 5.7: 883 gallons * $3.36 = $2,964.90
Yearly savings: $166.88
Ecodiesel cost - $2k over Hemi
Payback period : 11.98 years
No thanks, I'll pass. I think most motorists will see 23 and go "yeah". Then look across the street at Diesel price and say "NOPE!".
I remember when the Diesel Jeeps were supposed to be the hottest thing. Now the local dealer is saying "Lots of Diesel Jeeps in stock now!"...
Thanks for the breakdown. Diesel usually has more maintenance costs as well but I really don't know much about this new V6 they're using so that might not be an issue.45Ricochet wrote:
Where the heck is ITGAL anyway :H After all he stated it was only a ad campaign from Dodge, err Ram or what ever name he wants to call them.
Right here pal! So let's run the #'s again using the EPA since it's the same for all.....
We'll use this station as it's near me:
Local Gas station
Regular: $3.36
Diesel: $4.29
EPA:
F150 Ecoboost: 17 combined
Ram Ecodiesel: 23 combined
Ram 5.7/8 speed: 17 combined
15000 miles Ecoboost: 883 gallons * $3.36 = $2,964.70
15000 miles Ecodiesel: 653 gallons * $4.29 = $2,797.82
15000 miles Ram 5.7: 883 gallons * $3.36 = $2,964.90
Yearly savings: $166.88
Ecodiesel cost - $2k over Hemi
Payback period : 11.98 years
No thanks, I'll pass. I think most motorists will see 23 and go "yeah". Then look across the street at Diesel price and say "NOPE!".
I remember when the Diesel Jeeps were supposed to be the hottest thing. Now the local dealer is saying "Lots of Diesel Jeeps in stock now!"...- I got better mileage than that with my 1975 Mazda pickup truck and it burned regular gas. The 1500 trucks also come with a small V-6 diesel engine that provides 1/2 the power of the standard diesel used in the Ram 3/4 and 1-ton trucks. It is not something I would want to use for towing much less pay the extra cost for this option.
It is a great deal for the auto companies that have to meet the CAFE numbers and still sell their extremely profitable pickups. Put in a more expensive diesel engine that customers pay for along with the more expensive fuel and greater costs for maintenance and repairs.
It's almost as good a con job when GM got the go ahead to put toxic lead into gasoline to boost its octane rating. No worries that it caused brain damage and increased the crime rate for decades, GM made a lot of money and what else really matters? 45Ricochet wrote:
Shhhhh!!! ;)
Where the heck is ITGAL anyway :H After all he stated it was only a ad campaign from Dodge, err Ram or what ever name he wants to call them.
