Ram 2500 CTD in Africa

A South African Kenworth

US brands never were in Africa (at least not marketed

Far from not selling US HDT' in Africa there are some companies that run them, but the bulk are European and Japanese
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I question your sales figures in terms of world wide as I'm seeing tons of Ram

Pickup Truck Market in Europe, about 60,000 vehicles

Plus go back to WWII and before and there really was no market to speak of.

Vallhalla360 wrote:
So, you are suggesting africans traveled overseas bought toyotas and shipped them home...all without any marketing by toyota? If you believe that one, I have some ocean front property a couple miles from Ayers Rock for sale.

US brands never were in Africa (at least not marketed) and the Brits entire automotive industry went down the tubes. Plus go back to WWII and before and there really was no market to speak of. 

Hardly surprising they don't sell many down under...you drive on the wrong side of the road and the steering wheel has to be moved at significant expense. I question your sales figures in terms of world wide as I'm seeing tons of Ram pickups around Europe and American pickups are a dime a dozen in Kuwait (only Kuwaitis are allowed to own pickups and they don't keep vehicles more than a couple years) 

Well your exaggerating Style leaves a lot to be desired I've been around Germany and couldn't find too many pickups at all European pick-up sales are roughly 80000 for a population of 650 Million SUVs like Land Cruisers and Nissan Patrols a even more obvious in Kuwait and Qatar much more pickups yes there and are American trucks in Africa remember there was a war in North Africa US heavy trucks were used in some African countries( still see Kenworths and Peterbuilts, plus many Japanese and European Trucks in placesclike Mozambique) as basically all Africa was one huge colony for European nations for years .British trucks were in the many British colonies of Africa, French trucks and cars similarly and as they're European so we're a lot of other European vehicles the Japanese started selling they're vehicles when these countries became independent in the 1960's and built from therr as a result many of the European vehicles disappeared. Next time try and do a history check before you post. Yes I have been to many of the country's in North Africa and some of Southern Africa plus those Gulf States( sand storms and stinking hot)
Us Pickups were sold from dealerships in Australia till 2006. They were competitive in price but rhey realky did not sell. There was no companies doing conversions. Ford mainly bought them in. In Australia we drive on the Right Sideof the Road you drive on the " wrong side of the road"

RobertRyan wrote:
You do realize, you rewrote my comment to say something the original didn't say...and then you criticized the result.

But honestly, not much difference in reliability. Toyota simply dominated the market before the US brands got in and then they couldn't break in...kind of like Toyota is a distant also ran in N. America mostly because the market is dominated by the Big 3 more than any actual quality issue (that and Toyota couldn't get it through their heads, Americans want a big V8 truck for the first 30yr they tried to enter the market.)

Of course, it's funny, that we had to stop for repairs twice with the Land Cruiser we had last February in Tanzania...so "unbreakable" doesn't really hold up (not that I'm suggesting they are bad vehicles) 
Well there is no marketing in many parts of Africa and Toyota DID NOT get to Africa first. Africa was one huge Colony with British , French and other European ,and American Trucks. Toyota and the Japanese generally have taken over you can throw in the Koreans as well.
Maybe you could ask the Question Why Australia is the biggest Market for US Pickups with 1300- 1600 YTD sold outside NA

So, you are suggesting africans traveled overseas bought toyotas and shipped them home...all without any marketing by toyota? If you believe that one, I have some ocean front property a couple miles from Ayers Rock for sale.

US brands never were in Africa (at least not marketed) and the Brits entire automotive industry went down the tubes. Plus go back to WWII and before and there really was no market to speak of.

Hardly surprising they don't sell many down under...you drive on the wrong side of the road and the steering wheel has to be moved at significant expense. I question your sales figures in terms of world wide as I'm seeing tons of Ram pickups around Europe and American pickups are a dime a dozen in Kuwait (only Kuwaitis are allowed to own pickups and they don't keep vehicles more than a couple years)

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Grit dog wrote:
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That's low blow. :o

It his level of intelligence, an even lower blow:B??

Grit dog wrote:
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RR, your shrink just texted me, said you were ignoring his calls, but to tell you please start taking your meds again...

RobertRyan wrote:

Shiner Brock wrote:
You see, the US truck market is not limited to just one truck size like a majority of other markets that only have mid-size trucks. We have midsize, 1500's, 2500's, and 3500's depending on how you will be using your truck. If you want an off road version of that truck then go with a Rebel(or Gladiator in a mid-size) that has lockers and an air bag lift system. If you want to tow heavy then go with the 2500. If you want to tow heavy and go off road then go with the Power Wagon. Those base level trims are not as expensive over here because we do not have to pay to ship them and convert them.

* This post was edited 12/09/19 01:03pm by ShinerBock * 

So is everyone elses with a lot more variety than you get in the US as far as the 2500/ 3500 type. The RAM 1500 " truck" is either a car or Ute outside NA. It competes against the Global Midsizers where it is pretty ordinary in comparison, other tests are a little more acidic.
You have not exaggerated or made a false claim about the attributes of the 1500 in NA, it is what you are used too, but fails by a considerable margin here

You are comparing a very basic Express level trim that cost the same as high level trim midsize trucks over there because it has to be shipped and converted. That is like Australia sending us one of their baseline trim midsize global truck over here, converting it, and comparing it to a high trim 150/1500 truck or mid trim level 250/2500 trucks since that is what it will be equal to in price due to the added cost. It will not even compare because you can get a lot more here for the same price of these Australian shipped truck. That does not mean the the Australian(or US) truck sucks, it is just made for particular market with different needs and regulations(i.e. left/right side steering wheel) So stop cherry picking info just so you can keep bashing our vehicles.

Shiner Brock wrote:
You see, the US truck market is not limited to just one truck size like a majority of other markets that only have mid-size trucks. We have midsize, 1500's, 2500's, and 3500's depending on how you will be using your truck. If you want an off road version of that truck then go with a Rebel(or Gladiator in a mid-size) that has lockers and an air bag lift system. If you want to tow heavy then go with the 2500. If you want to tow heavy and go off road then go with the Power Wagon. Those base level trims are not as expensive over here because we do not have to pay to ship them and convert them.

* This post was edited 12/09/19 01:03pm by ShinerBock * 

So is everyone elses with a lot more variety than you get in the US as far as the 2500/ 3500 type. The RAM 1500 " truck" is either a car or Ute outside NA. It competes against the Global Midsizers where it is pretty ordinary in comparison, other tests are a little more acidic.
You have not exaggerated or made a false claim about the attributes of the 1500 in NA, it is what you are used too, but fails by a considerable margin here

RobertRyan wrote:

Shiner Brock wrote:
Please show me where. Provide links please! 

Also, we all know why they don't sell. We have been saying it for a long time. Different laws, regulations and uses in different markets. It is not that the US trucks or global trucks are bad, they are just designed and built for the needs/wants of different markets. 

Your Partially correct not a totally false statement this time. Still US Pickups " suck" as you say, fix the issues brought out in this road test of a locally Spercharged RAM 1500, then sales will increase. Supercharged engine had no problems it was the rest

But the 1500 isn’t perfect. I’m disappointed in the lack of a standard-fit reversing camera for the price but this isn’t anything to do with Harrop, and the mirrors are too small for this size vehicle. I’d like to see proper towing mirrors as standard. And I think the rear springs are a little soft, so while the around-town ride unloaded is surprisingly limo-like, certainly better than any leaf-sprung ute, there’s a bit too much sag when towing, so a set of helper airbags wouldn’t go amiss. The Express interior is a bit basic too, can’t control the volume from the steering wheel, no mirror on the passenger sunvisor, no real luxuries at all to speak of. And the park-brake is annoyingly foot-operated.

I did take the 1500 off-road and it is a bit ordinary. Probably a bit large for our tighter tracks, poor engine braking, lack of control over the gears, and indifferent, jerky traction control. It isn’t a vehicle I’d choose for off-road work, and the 800kg payload is small for its size, even less than a Ranger, so you can’t put many accessories on it. The lack of payload also counts against it when towing – while Ram claim the truck can tow 4500kg and it can but, realistically, if you’ve got a trailer that heavy then go out and buy the larger, heavier-duty 2500 instead.

Thee you go again. Our trucks don't "suck". There are no issues to fix there because, as I said, our trucks are designed and built for our market especially since we have so many different trucks to fit different needs. That truck is made primarily for light loads on highway with minor off roading. For that, it is perfect.

You see, the US truck market is not limited to just one truck size like a majority of other markets that only have mid-size trucks. We have midsize, 1500's, 2500's, and 3500's depending on how you will be using your truck. If you want an off road version of that truck then go with a Rebel(or Gladiator in a mid-size) that has lockers and an air bag lift system. If you want to tow heavy then go with the 2500. If you want to tow heavy and go off road then go with the Power Wagon. Those base level trims are not as expensive over here because we do not have to pay to ship them and convert them.

So I sez to the guy....