Ram 3500 MPG test

FishOnOne wrote:


The Power Stroke Project manager has also stated that dependability, durability and efficiency improvements for it's customers is very important and these recent tests sure back them up.

You just can't help yourself can't you. You know, you and the the Cummins bunch that you are against most of the time aren't too different from each other. Ya'll are just on different sides of the tracks.

blofgren wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
^^^ That made me lol. Not passive aggressive at all....

Actually that's a fair question.

Ram/cummins are in a very competitive market right now with the Duramax and Power Stroke and last year cummins made some major design changes in order to support an increase in HP, Torque and reduce weight. So we know one plant supports the Ram trucks supply but what about the other markets that aren't in this market. Did they go to a CP4.2 pump, CGI blocks, increased crank strength,hydraulic lifters, etc...? Did these other markets require these changes in order to stay competitive?

But he did not ask it this way, and I would not consider asking the question this way to be passive aggressive. Two plants actually support the US pickup truck supply, CMEP and RMEP. CMEP only supports the Ram truck supply, and RMEP does both pickup truck engines when needed as well as the other truck/bus classes.

This is Cummins Rocky Mount Engine Plant

As far as changes go, it depends on the change and the regional market. Most of the changes that were made were to comply with the upcoming emissions and fuel economy standards. However, some of those changes are not needed in the foreign markets. As far as the US version, yes, they are the same and have two versions(an efficiency and performance) just like the pick-ups.

You have to remember that Ike times don't matter to Cummins. Their main goal is dependability and efficiency. So while you see being first up a mountain as a goal for competitiveness, they don't. They see being able to get up that mountain day in and day out out in cold or hot temps more efficiently. In my view, Ford is catering to a different kind of customer than Cummins and their is nothing wrong with that. Ram on the other hand is a different story. I feel Ram probably wants Cummins to push the envelope on the horsepower front(which they can easily do if they wanted), but that is not their main goal.

Very well said.

The Power Stroke Project manager has also stated that dependability, durability and efficiency improvements for it's customers is very important and these recent tests sure back them up.

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
^^^ That made me lol. Not passive aggressive at all....

Actually that's a fair question.

Ram/cummins are in a very competitive market right now with the Duramax and Power Stroke and last year cummins made some major design changes in order to support an increase in HP, Torque and reduce weight. So we know one plant supports the Ram trucks supply but what about the other markets that aren't in this market. Did they go to a CP4.2 pump, CGI blocks, increased crank strength,hydraulic lifters, etc...? Did these other markets require these changes in order to stay competitive?

But he did not ask it this way, and I would not consider asking the question this way to be passive aggressive. Two plants actually support the US pickup truck supply, CMEP and RMEP. CMEP only supports the Ram truck supply, and RMEP does both pickup truck engines when needed as well as the other truck/bus classes.

This is Cummins Rocky Mount Engine Plant

As far as changes go, it depends on the change and the regional market. Most of the changes that were made were to comply with the upcoming emissions and fuel economy standards. However, some of those changes are not needed in the foreign markets. As far as the US version, yes, they are the same and have two versions(an efficiency and performance) just like the pick-ups.

You have to remember that Ike times don't matter to Cummins. Their main goal is dependability and efficiency. So while you see being first up a mountain as a goal for competitiveness, they don't. They see being able to get up that mountain day in and day out out in cold or hot temps more efficiently. In my view, Ford is catering to a different kind of customer than Cummins and their is nothing wrong with that. Ram on the other hand is a different story. I feel Ram probably wants Cummins to push the envelope on the horsepower front(which they can easily do if they wanted), but that is not their main goal.

Very well said.

Many years here and nothing has changed. My dad is tougher than yours. My mother is better looking than yours, with a reply, yeah my dad thinks so also.

Buy and drive what you want and get over it.

Sometime after my tour they dedicated CMEP to RAM production only. Makes sense.

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
^^^ That made me lol. Not passive aggressive at all....

Actually that's a fair question.

Ram/cummins are in a very competitive market right now with the Duramax and Power Stroke and last year cummins made some major design changes in order to support an increase in HP, Torque and reduce weight. So we know one plant supports the Ram trucks supply but what about the other markets that aren't in this market. Did they go to a CP4.2 pump, CGI blocks, increased crank strength,hydraulic lifters, etc...? Did these other markets require these changes in order to stay competitive?

But he did not ask it this way, and I would not consider asking the question this way to be passive aggressive. Two plants actually support the US pickup truck supply, CMEP and RMEP. CMEP only supports the Ram truck supply, and RMEP does both pickup truck engines when needed as well as the other truck/bus classes.

This is Cummins Rocky Mount Engine Plant

As far as changes go, it depends on the change and the regional market. Most of the changes that were made were to comply with the upcoming emissions and fuel economy standards. However, some of those changes are not needed in the foreign markets. As far as the US version, yes, they are the same and have two versions(an efficiency and performance) just like the pick-ups.

You have to remember that Ike times don't matter to Cummins. Their main goal is dependability and efficiency. So while you see being first up a mountain as a goal for competitiveness, they don't. They see being able to get up that mountain day in and day out out in cold or hot temps more efficiently. In my view, Ford is catering to a different kind of customer than Cummins and their is nothing wrong with that. Ram on the other hand is a different story. I feel Ram probably wants Cummins to push the envelope on the horsepower front(which they can easily do if they wanted), but that is not their main goal.

ShinerBock wrote:
^^^ That made me lol. Not passive aggressive at all....

Actually that's a fair question. Cummins is now behind Ford in terms of towing performance and fuel economy so I suspect more changes are coming.

Ram/cummins are in a very competitive market right now with the Duramax and Power Stroke and last year cummins made some major design changes in order to support an increase in HP, Torque and reduce weight. So we know one plant supports the Ram trucks supply but what about the other markets that aren't in this market. Did they go to a CP4.2 pump, CGI blocks, increased crank strength,hydraulic lifters, etc...? Did these other markets require these changes in order to stay competitive?

We all read the hype that the Cummins lady fed Cummins12V98 during a tour so we need to know if that hype was fact for fiction. (Now that could be viewed as passive aggressive)

4x4ord wrote:
^^^Really. So if a design change is required in order to keep up with Ford do they make the necessary changes at all 4 plants or do the non Ram plants produce different versions?

I hardly think that Cummins thinks they need to "keep up with Ford"....they certainly don't keep up with warranty claims. ;)

^^^ That made me lol. Not passive aggressive at all....

^^^Really. So if a design change is required in order to keep up with Ford do they make the necessary changes at all 4 plants or do the non Ram plants produce different versions?