Ram dually vs Ford dually Frame Flex Comparison

This thread has been very entertaining!

Been on some nasty "logging" roads around Devils lake and on some really nasty ice roads but can't recall ever seeing both of the dually wheels pop off the ground and hope I never do! Wouldn't you want a Jeep or a small wheel base 4x4 if your doing extreme off roading?

Now the gas stations around me are horrible. Some you can only get into with a motorcycle. Most I have to park on the side street and carry up diesel cans to "fill up". I think they are even worse in Iowa...

Hey, I like a little frame flex in my vehicles. Just about every pickup truck if lifted with a bumper jack on one corner will give you surprising flex.

I have a late model Lexus, and I had to change 2 tires. I lifted the body with a floor jack in front of the rear tire.

The whole car was balancing with 3 tires in the air. Changing tires on a vehicle with an ultra strong frame is actually very dangerous.

And this test is virtually worthless. I have a 2003 F250 Supercab diesel with 120K miles, and it's a fantastic vehicles. It drives like new, and there's not a single creak or rattle in the body.

spoon059 wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:
your right...definitely a one way street argument....woe be to the lowly Ram owner when they want to boast on their truck....not something you want to do on rv.net without getting pounced on...

I guess this is what I just don't get about this forum... all the d-ck swinging about who's truck is better. Who cares?

My Tundra is NOT the best truck ever made. I know its not. I know it has limitations. Right now I don't even think its the best half ton available. At the time I bought it, it was best for ME. Cost, power, payload, fuel economy, towing ability, comfort, passenger room, expected longevity all played into my decision.

I really don't care what anybody thinks about MY truck. I don't feel the need to boast (other than the fact it is tied for most American made :B), but occasionally I will reply to threads about the Tundra to clear up some grossly incorrect statements floated by people who have never owned or driven the Tundra but HATE it because its a Japanese truck.

As I said before, I believe that the redesigned Ram is a great truck with a lot of great features, tremendous towing ability and great payload. I love everything I have heard about the 6.4 Hemi too. The Cummins diesel is a renowned engine. Who cares if someone likes the Ford or GM better? Competition is what makes these trucks better. Let some other guy buy an "inferior" product and enjoy the truck that suits your needs the best.

Hey, I owned two Toyota trucks back some years ago, great trucks, wasn't cutting on them, just using some of the marketing schemes we were discussing...Like you, I could really give a flying flip what others think about my truck, or anything else I own for that matter, no matter where it was made:).

NC Hauler wrote:
your right...definitely a one way street argument....woe be to the lowly Ram owner when they want to boast on their truck....not something you want to do on rv.net without getting pounced on...

I guess this is what I just don't get about this forum... all the d-ck swinging about who's truck is better. Who cares?

My Tundra is NOT the best truck ever made. I know its not. I know it has limitations. Right now I don't even think its the best half ton available. At the time I bought it, it was best for ME. Cost, power, payload, fuel economy, towing ability, comfort, passenger room, expected longevity all played into my decision.

I really don't care what anybody thinks about MY truck. I don't feel the need to boast (other than the fact it is tied for most American made :B), but occasionally I will reply to threads about the Tundra to clear up some grossly incorrect statements floated by people who have never owned or driven the Tundra but HATE it because its a Japanese truck.

As I said before, I believe that the redesigned Ram is a great truck with a lot of great features, tremendous towing ability and great payload. I love everything I have heard about the 6.4 Hemi too. The Cummins diesel is a renowned engine. Who cares if someone likes the Ford or GM better? Competition is what makes these trucks better. Let some other guy buy an "inferior" product and enjoy the truck that suits your needs the best.

spoon059 wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:
Don't recollect ever saying the Ford frame was unsafe:S ALL truck manufacturers have marketing schemes...believe it was a Toyota that pulled the Shuttle across a bridge...All of the Big Three have "marketing schemes"...tell me one who doesn't that we've discussed on this thread....At some point, we have to make up our own minds and kick out the tripe that we see from all 3 of them...but I gave facts on the the frame, front and rear suspension of the Ram as well as GVWR, GCWR and RAWR...fact's, not something made up...and I guess some of these videos by Ford, By GM/Chevy and by Ram are fictitious, but figure some have to be based on some kind of facts or they'd be slammed big time by Consumers Advocates out there somewhere..

My reply wasn't necessarily to you, but to the thread in general. The general argument that some people are making is that the Ford frame isn't suitable for its designed task, simply because this stupid test showed flexing.

I'm aware that the Tundra pulled the shuttle, I don't really care one bit. Just because a company uses stupid marketing doesn't affect if the product is good or bad. Like I stated, I did my own research and determined that the Tundra was the best product for ME and MY NEEDS.

Yes, marketing makes all kinds of claims. As long as they are technically correct or they have a footnote after the claim, they can do anything they want. The Ecoboost is "BEST IN CLASS" of this that or the other thing... well, when you are the only twin turbo 6 cylinder gas engine, you are in a class by yourself. You are the BEST and WORST in the class at the same time... so anything they say is true.

Agree with you , especially about the Toyota, (really hard to believe they promoted doing everything wrong) :)

NC Hauler wrote:
Don't recollect ever saying the Ford frame was unsafe:S ALL truck manufacturers have marketing schemes...believe it was a Toyota that pulled the Shuttle across a bridge...All of the Big Three have "marketing schemes"...tell me one who doesn't that we've discussed on this thread....At some point, we have to make up our own minds and kick out the tripe that we see from all 3 of them...but I gave facts on the the frame, front and rear suspension of the Ram as well as GVWR, GCWR and RAWR...fact's, not something made up...and I guess some of these videos by Ford, By GM/Chevy and by Ram are fictitious, but figure some have to be based on some kind of facts or they'd be slammed big time by Consumers Advocates out there somewhere..

My reply wasn't necessarily to you, but to the thread in general. The general argument that some people are making is that the Ford frame isn't suitable for its designed task, simply because this stupid test showed flexing.

I'm aware that the Tundra pulled the shuttle, I don't really care one bit. Just because a company uses stupid marketing doesn't affect if the product is good or bad. Like I stated, I did my own research and determined that the Tundra was the best product for ME and MY NEEDS.

Yes, marketing makes all kinds of claims. As long as they are technically correct or they have a footnote after the claim, they can do anything they want. The Ecoboost is "BEST IN CLASS" of this that or the other thing... well, when you are the only twin turbo 6 cylinder gas engine, you are in a class by yourself. You are the BEST and WORST in the class at the same time... so anything they say is true.

transamz9 wrote:

RedRocket204 wrote:

transamz9 wrote:
I think what NC is trying to say is that the video shows the frame is weaker period. Would you have rather had the video of them loading the trucks with weight sitting on flat ground until one of them folded? You would have just said that you won't put that much weight in your truck.

Based on "testing" that 99% of the population will never see. If you find unrealistic "testing" appropriate for you, so be it.

Have you never pulled into a store or parking lot or driveway that was fairly steep getting into. Same thing is going on in the video. IDK about where you live but we have a lot of these places here. I have seen a lot of these places where I have traveled also so I would say that your 99% is a lot less.;)

That is some good stuff right there. I know here in Michigan it is very common to pull into a parking lot with two wheels off the ground. I did see your :) after that hyperbole.

BenK wrote:
Falling into both 'Absolutism' and 'one size fits all'...again

Just because I've had frame rail fatigue fractures (both the WWII Jeep and K5)
does it mean everyone will...

Just because I'm interested in the stiffness of any truck frame, does it
mean everyone does...

Opposite is if no one has ever experienced frame fatigue fractures...does it
mean everyone will NOT

Opposite is that if one is not interested in the stiffness of a truck
frame, does it mean everyone does NOT

We solved these types of 'discussions' back in the 50's when I was a
kid...by wrestling and getting one to say uncle...some times it took
a knuckle rub on the noodle to get'm to say 'Uncle'... :B

HAHAHAHA!!!!

BenK wrote:
Just responding to your comment...so now that I know the level of any
discussion with you will end up in Proverbs26,4 level exchange...best to
block you and ask you to block me

Bird Freak wrote:

BenK wrote:
Curious analogy...but then do you think our light duty trucks should require
Class 8 level of drivers license (CDL requirement), 22.5" wheels, Drivers Log Book,
that they get fined if over weight, etc?

That would be refreshing to the over all safety out there, as personally think
way too many pickups/SUVs towing heavy are lacking...

Bird Freak wrote:
sales hype. If a rigid frame was better Class 8 road tractors would use them.

How do you come up with CDL;s, log books wheel size, and this other cr--p you are talking about from a point made of class 8 trucks and Ford both use a c channel frame. I just stated fact, have no idea what your point was supposed to be.

As you make very little sense at times I have no problem with that.

BenK wrote:
Falling into both 'Absolutism' and 'one size fits all'...again

Just because I've had frame rail fatigue fractures (both the WWII Jeep and K5)
does it mean everyone will...

Just because I'm interested in the stiffness of any truck frame, does it
mean everyone does...

Opposite is if no one has ever experienced frame fatigue fractures...does it
mean everyone will NOT

Opposite is that if one is not interested in the stiffness of a truck
frame, does it mean everyone does NOT

We solved these types of 'discussions' back in the 50's when I was a
kid...by wrestling and getting one to say uncle...some times it took
a knuckle rub on the noodle to get'm to say 'Uncle'... :B

Old school Ben....and I like it:B