Ram dually vs Ford dually Frame Flex Comparison

Probably talking about steering stabilizer brackets. Yes they offer those for other brands too.

Try something else.

ROBERTSUNRUS wrote:
:) Hi, just saying; If the Dodge frames are so good why are there so many aftermarket re-inforcement kits for them??????? I don't see those for Ford or Chevy.

Owned a 2010, 12 and now the 13 and haven't a clue what you're talking about:h..Spend a lot of time on the Cummins forum and TDR forums, only looking at 4th Generation mind you, but haven't seen anything about people buying "reinforcement kits" for their trucks frames:h. The 2013 3500's had a brand new frame , in 2014 the 2500 got the new frame..What kind of reinforcement kits are you talking about? We ARE talking about new generation Dodge/Ram trucks, ie all new frame... Watch the video this thread is about and though not "real world" that trucks would get into this position....which do you truly think needs a frame "reinforcement kit??????? (had to count, but yeah, you used 7 question marks, thought I would also.:)

ROBERTSUNRUS wrote:
:) Hi, just saying; If the Dodge frames are so good why are there so many aftermarket re-inforcement kits for them??????? I don't see those for Ford or Chevy.

For the 2014 Rams???????:h

Um, er, gosh I honestly don't know, but those kits I have seen for steering column, steering box and such are mostly all for older models with a different frame.

:) Hi, just saying; If the Dodge frames are so good why are there so many aftermarket re-inforcement kits for them??????? I don't see those for Ford or Chevy.

UHSS (boron process, not the more expensive cobalt process) needs a specially
trained tech to repair.

It can be drilled, welded, etc, but not by the processed most body
shops employ. Also know that hydrogen embrittlement is a concern, where
as it was not too big a deal in the older frames

I'm a hobbyist welder (4 welders in my garage), took welding classes up at the community
college. Materials classes in college. Man processes in college. ETC...but that
was decades ago, so I've no knowledge of HOW2 work on these new frames.

Do know that just walking up to it and using my MIG/Stick/Gas welder will ruin
the hardening. Maybe another class somewhere or buy a book on that...as it looks
like I'll have to work on one all too soon...

FishOnOne wrote:

myredracer wrote:

Did they beef up the F150 frame or did they just reduce the overall weight by using the aluminum body thus raising payload cap. and then retain the previous frame design?

They did both...

The steel may physically be thinner on the frame, but they changed alloys to achieve even greater strength and torsional stiffness. They went to some form of UHSS (ultra High Strength Steel), which is the stuff commonly used for A/B/C pillars on unibody cars for greater roll protection and on certain cross members where the engineers do not want deformation in a crash. The aluminum was thicker on a 2015 truck than the steel the body of my 2010 F-150. The 2015 truck was sitting behind the velvet rope at a car show, but I figure I'd poke at the panels when the spokesman wasn't looking :). Much stiffer feeling, but will still dent if it gets hit hard enough. Still not nearly the solidness of a car from the 60's/70's for fender panels. But those days are long gone.

myredracer wrote:

Did they beef up the F150 frame or did they just reduce the overall weight by using the aluminum body thus raising payload cap. and then retain the previous frame design?

They did both...

There is a similar test floating around facebook comparing a Chevy 1500 and an F250. The results are the same.

I'd be interested in seeing frame flex testing between the new 2015 F150 with it's unbelievable 3300 lb payload capacity rating and an F250. The new F150 has significantly higher payload cap. than our F250 but is it stronger?

Did they beef up the F150 frame or did they just reduce the overall weight by using the aluminum body thus raising payload cap. and then retain the previous frame design?

Just talking about a 'boxed', or a 'C section' is out of context

A 'C section' can be way stronger than a 'boxed'.

So much depends...on the wall thickness, the over all section size.
Whether 'C', 'boxed', 'I beam', etc

Then their alloy and hardness

On hardness...iron...as it ages becomes harder and brittle. Why I've
never liked the tempered and/or worked to harden frame members.

Plus the work hardening from using the vehicle. The more it is pushed,
the more it will work harden. Both number of cycles and how far into
the elasticity limits just before plasticity

Think about this: a fully boxed frame of a 10,000 GVWR truck frame
vs a C channel frame of a 40,000 GVWR truck will have the C channel
much stronger...