Ram outsells Chevrolet.

Another informative thread... camping season is almost here! We're headed out for Friday for a quick weekend with some friends.

The actual topic here is that Ram had a fantastic first quarter, Ford did well and GM failed to meet expectations. I have seen some comments from people that really like the Ram but no discussions on GM's failure. It might be as simple as production issues with the new truck or GM decided to go for profit over volume. Or it might be something less flattering for GM like the truck itself isn't appealing or the marketing campaign failed. That is what I would like to understand better.

I do know this. Ford has a lot of new stuff coming for the 2020 model year and if GM doesn't get things going before that hits the market they may find themselves in a deeper hole.

Ron3rd wrote:
They're all good trucks and I'd be happy with any of the Big 3.

Main reason I went with the Ram CTD is it was 10 Grand cheaper than a Ford or Chevy.

I always hear people saying Ram is less expensive than Ford. Just for fun I was building a 2019 Ford XLT and a 2019 Ram Bighorn online as close as I could with the options I wanted and the Ram ended up about 4K more. I was a little disappointed as I really like the new Rams. I must be missing something I'm Sure.

Of course I opted for the HO Cummins with the Aisen tranny, that upgrade isn't cheap. If I am spending that kind of money why would I opt for the lesser Cummins?

Dan

Ron3rd wrote:
They're all good trucks and I'd be happy with any of the Big 3.

Main reason I went with the Ram CTD is it was 10 Grand cheaper than a Ford or Chevy.

Winner winner, chicken dinner. $10K is a 15 percent price difference on a fully loaded truck. You can buy a decent used TT for that.
I also say the dealer is the key, not the brand. We have a huge local Chevy dealer that is terrible, yet the Dodge guys are top notch. I have no experience with the big Ford guys in the area.
Were I to have to buy a new truck today it would be Ram, Ford, GM.

Not once in my life time have sales figures factored in when I purchased a new truck. I picked the vehicle which best suited my needs, not by who sold the most.

twodownzero wrote:

mich800 wrote:

twodownzero wrote:




OHC gasoline engines in the Fords are a huge reliability problem and a maintenance nightmare with the cab having to be removed to do any serious engine work.

I'm not really sure how anyone could look at these things any other way; Ford is alone in its decision to use OHC engines in American trucks.

:h The Ford gas engines are a huge reliability issue? Is this a forecast of things yet to come?

Not at all, they've been in the trucks for 20 years. The issues with the timing chains and their tensioners are well documented, as well ad head gaskets, spitting plugs out, and probably a bunch of other issues I haven't even heard of. I'm not aware of any similar problems with the OHV designs used by Ram and GM.

Between my brothers, my father and myself we have owned a bunch of Fords and other than a head gasket in a V10 we have not head any of those issues. That is the one that I sold with 135,000 miles on it for twice KBB value. Considering that it only depreciated about $1,000 a year for the 13 years that I owned it and had no other issues I will have to say that it was a bargain, even after paying to have the head gasket fixed.

They're all good trucks and I'd be happy with any of the Big 3.

Main reason I went with the Ram CTD is it was 10 Grand cheaper than a Ford or Chevy.

mich800 wrote:

twodownzero wrote:

mich800 wrote:

twodownzero wrote:




OHC gasoline engines in the Fords are a huge reliability problem and a maintenance nightmare with the cab having to be removed to do any serious engine work.

I'm not really sure how anyone could look at these things any other way; Ford is alone in its decision to use OHC engines in American trucks.

:h The Ford gas engines are a huge reliability issue? Is this a forecast of things yet to come?

Not at all, they've been in the trucks for 20 years. The issues with the timing chains and their tensioners are well documented, as well ad head gaskets, spitting plugs out, and probably a bunch of other issues I haven't even heard of. I'm not aware of any similar problems with the OHV designs used by Ram and GM.

So you are talking the old 5.4 and v10. None of which required cab off. The way you phrased these issues seems to be approaching hyperbole.

I have had three 5.4l 3v engines and all were good engines. No phaser, timing chain, tensioner issues at all..... All three engines were accessible WITHOUT removing the cab.... I would buy another 5.4 in a heartbeat..

twodownzero wrote:

mich800 wrote:

twodownzero wrote:




OHC gasoline engines in the Fords are a huge reliability problem and a maintenance nightmare with the cab having to be removed to do any serious engine work.

I'm not really sure how anyone could look at these things any other way; Ford is alone in its decision to use OHC engines in American trucks.

:h The Ford gas engines are a huge reliability issue? Is this a forecast of things yet to come?

Not at all, they've been in the trucks for 20 years. The issues with the timing chains and their tensioners are well documented, as well ad head gaskets, spitting plugs out, and probably a bunch of other issues I haven't even heard of. I'm not aware of any similar problems with the OHV designs used by Ram and GM.

So you are talking the old 5.4 and v10. None of which required cab off. The way you phrased these issues seems to be approaching hyperbole.

mich800 wrote:

twodownzero wrote:




OHC gasoline engines in the Fords are a huge reliability problem and a maintenance nightmare with the cab having to be removed to do any serious engine work.

I'm not really sure how anyone could look at these things any other way; Ford is alone in its decision to use OHC engines in American trucks.

:h The Ford gas engines are a huge reliability issue? Is this a forecast of things yet to come?

Not at all, they've been in the trucks for 20 years. The issues with the timing chains and their tensioners are well documented, as well ad head gaskets, spitting plugs out, and probably a bunch of other issues I haven't even heard of. I'm not aware of any similar problems with the OHV designs used by Ram and GM.