Ram outsells Chevrolet.

mich800 wrote:

twodownzero wrote:




OHC gasoline engines in the Fords are a huge reliability problem and a maintenance nightmare with the cab having to be removed to do any serious engine work.

I'm not really sure how anyone could look at these things any other way; Ford is alone in its decision to use OHC engines in American trucks.

:h The Ford gas engines are a huge reliability issue? Is this a forecast of things yet to come?

Good question. I currently own five and kept one until I no longer needed it at 135,000 miles with no issues in the four that I still have and a head gasket in the one that I sold. When I put it up for sale I asked twice KBB value and had people competing for it. I guess that they didn't get the memo either. My oldest one right now is a 2003 Sable. Both it and my 2008 Ranger are around 180,000 miles. Neither has been babied at all.

Me Again wrote:

Groover wrote:
I am actually surprised that Ford has held on to their market share while selling against two new competitors.

As I posted earlier in this thread

"talked to a guy at WM yesterday while buying a box of DEF. He said he loved his 2008 Ford diesel. I said 6.0 or 6.4? He said 6.4, and that the cab had been off three times and one new engine."

Ford owners are loyal threw thick and thin.

I will accept that. What is your theory on why GM owners are not as loyal? Why are so many defecting to RAM? That is the real question here.

twodownzero wrote:




OHC gasoline engines in the Fords are a huge reliability problem and a maintenance nightmare with the cab having to be removed to do any serious engine work.

I'm not really sure how anyone could look at these things any other way; Ford is alone in its decision to use OHC engines in American trucks.

:h The Ford gas engines are a huge reliability issue? Is this a forecast of things yet to come?

mich800 wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
I thought rust issues were a thing of the past until three years ago when I started traveling to the mid west for work.

Rust can still be a problem for all manufactures. There isn’t one brand that i would say is immune.

It sure is nice though that a known troll just happens to have a photo of his least favorite brand when a rust discussion comes up. Completely credible.

That is the reality. Here in Michigan I do not see a disproportionate rust problem with any of the makes. There are examples of all brands rusting from similar model years. I think there is some observational bias going on.

Hence the reason for my post. I suspect people like BM ignore when people make these accusations when they support his brand. The trend tells it all.

Acdii wrote:
I compared the 19 Limited to an 18 Platinum. RAM has stepped up the game tremendously, that interior is just fantastic from materials, to stitching to the electronics. I went with the Platinum though for several reasons.

Ram, not known for reliability
Dealerships not known for decent care
Unknown crash ratings (which recently have been done and RAM matches Ford with 5 stars)
Unknown if the rust issues have been solved
poor engine choices
lack of available payload.
No tailgate step
known for having electrical issues

Aside from the Ford having a dated interior, it is still a rather good truck and I can see why it is still #1.

6 engine choices
Highest payload and towing
over 6 million combinations that can be built (mind blowing too when one is built every 53 seconds)
very nice styling.

GM will continue to stay at the bottom unless they fire all their engineers and hire some with talent and imagination instead of coming out with the same old same old style year after year. And please, that complicated tailgate? A disaster in the making.

About the only thing I did like that GM had over both Ford and Ram was the camera system. Doesn't say much does it.

GM has by far the best gasoline engine technology.

OHC gasoline engines in the Fords are a huge reliability problem and a maintenance nightmare with the cab having to be removed to do any serious engine work.

I'm not really sure how anyone could look at these things any other way; Ford is alone in its decision to use OHC engines in American trucks.

The only GM truck I own is 31 years old and my pickup is a Ram with a diesel, just FWIW. I like the Ford interior but I would not compromise on the drivetrain just to gain that. Would not consider GM due to the IFS, which like Ford with its gas engines, they are alone in offering in HD light trucks, unless I wanted a 2wd truck.

I am in the market for a 3/4 ton diesel to replace my Tahoe as a daily driver/TV. I have been doing some research over the past couple of months and this is how I have evaluated the big 3. Having read over many of the threads on this forum it is clear that my knowledge is severely lacking compared to many of you, but I would also guess that I am more your along the lines of your "average" consumer.

Cosmetic Appeal (purely subjective).
1) GMC
2) Chevy
3) Ford
4) RAM

Value
1) RAM
2) Chevy
3) GMC
4) Ford

Dependability (again, I know less than many of you but based on what I have read my opinion is as such)
1) Ram, GMC/Chevy, Ford

Features
1) Ford
2) RAM
3) GMC/Chevy (2020's seems to be correcting this)

If I were buying the truck that I felt was the best overall value, I would be buying a RAM. However it is highly likely that I will be purchasing a 2020 Sierra 2500 Denali. If the 19's had push button start and rear AC vents, and yes it is insane that they do not, I would be driving one now. If I didn't think that I would regret buying the RAM I would do it in a heartbeat... but I fear that I would based on the fact that I don't really care for the look of the vehicle... stupid, I know.

In all of my research what I can't figure out is why the Fords are ~$5,000 more for a comparably equipped GMC and ~$7,500 more than a comparably equipped RAM.

Admittedly I will not and could not argue the merits and specifics of the engines. Fortunately, based on my research, there isn't necessarily a bad choice. Just my .02 which is probably worth much less to many of you lol.

Me Again wrote:

Groover wrote:
I am actually surprised that Ford has held on to their market share while selling against two new competitors.

As I posted earlier in this thread

"talked to a guy at WM yesterday while buying a box of DEF. He said he loved his 2008 Ford diesel. I said 6.0 or 6.4? He said 6.4, and that the cab had been off three times and one new engine."

Ford owners are loyal threw thick and thin.

At that level “loyal” isn’t the best description. :B

doesn't matter. 2nd place is just the best loser. GO BLUE

Me Again wrote:

Groover wrote:
I am actually surprised that Ford has held on to their market share while selling against two new competitors.

As I posted earlier in this thread

"talked to a guy at WM yesterday while buying a box of DEF. He said he loved his 2008 Ford diesel. I said 6.0 or 6.4? He said 6.4, and that the cab had been off three times and one new engine."

Ford owners are loyal threw thick and thin.

All manufacturers and companies spend a lot to cultivate brand loyalty. You will find the hard core brand loyalists in any product you wish to look at. There is no shortage of Ram, Chevy or any other vehicle maker with staunch brand loyalists. That is the crux of the Ford McDonald analogy. If someone purchases a brand different than what they chose there must have been a faulty logic for that decision. We all do it. "why did you purchase that model, version or product?" Because their set of priorities are not the same.

Groover wrote:
I am actually surprised that Ford has held on to their market share while selling against two new competitors.

As I posted earlier in this thread

"talked to a guy at WM yesterday while buying a box of DEF. He said he loved his 2008 Ford diesel. I said 6.0 or 6.4? He said 6.4, and that the cab had been off three times and one new engine."

Ford owners are loyal threw thick and thin.