Ram outsells Chevy

T&P do you know Ram has a program called Business Link? Buy a new ram and they will provide you a loaner should you need one! Also all B/L members are first in line for service work.

LINK

Honestly it has nothing to do with what truck anyone prefers. From what I see Ram plain flat out offers more for the money. Before anyone jumps all over me I must say I am a Chevy guy. That does not mean I wouldn't buy another brand. It means that is where my money has went so far.

Man, with your history of problem with trucks I think your plan to get rid of your current truck is a good one. ;)

BTW, there's a reason the LBZ and the 7.3 has the highest resale value of trucks. :B

So what we've just defined, regardless of who outsells who, is they all SUCK!
Just depends which one sucks the least on a given day!

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
To answer your question:

1993 Chevy 2500. And where did I say it had no major problems? The truck currently has 175K on the clock with about 1/3+ of that towing.
Things that have been replaced on the engine:
Head gaskets. (my fault, I had the boost turned up)
Timing chain and gears.(PM)
I pump. (PM)
Injectors (PM)
Alternator X2.

So all of those things together cost me about $1,500 bucks over 23 years. So average it out over 23 years and this engine cost me about $65 bucks a year for hard parts. And remember, 3 of those things were preventive maintenance and not replaced because of failure.

So would I recommend a 6.5 because mine has been so good? Hell no! I'm not going to be like some on here and recommend an engine just because it was good for "me". The 6.5 could not hold a candle to the Cummins or even the 7.3 of that era. Not even close! Just because I own one and it's been good to me doesn't make it a good engine. It's not!


And you're wrong about not wanting a Ford. Fords 7.3 was a great engine in that time period in a great truck. There's a reason people talk about the 7.3 as a legendary engine. It was! It's a lot more robust than the 6.5 that's for sure!

As far as the rest of your rant. Are you seriously trying to compare a minor DEF problem to a serious engine problem that requires the cab to be lifter and the engine disassembled at a dealership at 10, 15, 20 thousand miles? Or the hand full of 12 YO LBY's that had heating problems and took less than a $500 part to fix. LOL, are you serious?

I notice you have been around here for a while Travlingman. You must know Ricatic? You should ask Ricatic what he recommends. I bet he has some good ideas on what to recommend and what to stay away from! :B It might not have the swag you're used to in a truck, but it will more than likely be a whole hellofalot more dependable! :B

PS: Be careful out there. Your engine is on the list of valve crackers. :E
Also remember the more regens you go through the more likely your valve heads will fall off and make a mess. :E

Why do I need to talk to Ricatic? He has an LBZ now. I had one for 5 years. Sat beside the road 3 different times in limp mode. Once was on Sam's Gap on the TN/NC line with a 5th wheel behind me. A lot of fun going up a mountain pulling a 5er and it goes in limp mode. Chevy's fix was to put brake line tubing on the MAF sensor after the 2nd time. As you see it didn't work as I had a 3rd. Want to talk about the 2 week downtime I had because of leaking tranny lines and they were on back order? Or the '02 LB7 I had. Had it for 4 weeks before the fuel pump went. 1 1/2 months downtime waiting for replacement, again back ordered. Of course the injectors wass an easy fix on them too.:E

As far as the DEF being an easy fix, you might want to tell the Chevy dealers in my area as I know a few guys that have the issue and are tired of the limp mode and the dealers can't fix it.

But will I consider a Chevy when I buy, I will. I will do what I have done every time and drive all 4 models and go from there. Sorry, not as closed minded as some, who only will drive one brand and have to bash the other brands every time it is brought up, or go and put links to problems like some do.

Thanks for the link on mine. I guess I had better go trade mine as it must be about to explode. I saw it on YouTube so I know it is true.

Now back to the original thread and I can see why Ram did so well. Nice trucks, good refinement, and the Chevy will do well with the new improvements I think. No truck maker can rest on its past as the others are always improving.

To answer your question:

1993 Chevy 2500. And where did I say it had no major problems? The truck currently has 175K on the clock with about 1/3+ of that towing.
Things that have been replaced on the engine:
Head gaskets. (my fault, I had the boost turned up)
Timing chain and gears.(PM)
I pump. (PM)
Injectors (PM)
Alternator X2.

So all of those things together cost me about $1,500 bucks over 23 years. So average it out over 23 years and this engine cost me about $65 bucks a year for hard parts. And remember, 3 of those things were preventive maintenance and not replaced because of failure.

So would I recommend a 6.5 because mine has been so good? Hell no! I'm not going to be like some on here and recommend an engine just because it was good for "me". The 6.5 could not hold a candle to the Cummins or even the 7.3 of that era. Not even close! Just because I own one and it's been good to me doesn't make it a good engine. It's not!


And you're wrong about not wanting a Ford. Fords 7.3 was a great engine in that time period in a great truck. There's a reason people talk about the 7.3 as a legendary engine. It was! It's a lot more robust than the 6.5 that's for sure!

As far as the rest of your rant. Are you seriously trying to compare a minor DEF problem to a serious engine problem that requires the cab to be lifter and the engine disassembled at a dealership at 10, 15, 20 thousand miles? Or the hand full of 12 YO LBY's that had heating problems and took less than a $500 part to fix. LOL, are you serious?

I notice you have been around here for a while Travlingman. You must know Ricatic? You should ask Ricatic what he recommends. I bet he has some good ideas on what to recommend and what to stay away from! :B It might not have the swag you're used to in a truck, but it will more than likely be a whole hellofalot more dependable! :B

PS: Be careful out there. Your engine is on the list of valve crackers. :E
Also remember the more regens you go through the more likely your valve heads will fall off and make a mess. :E

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Travlingman wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I can't speak for anybody but myself Don.

In my case I own a business and NEED my truck to run every single time I turn the key. I don't have time to deal with service departments for warrantee repair. The down time can kill a small business.

Case in point: A very good friend owns a small business and had a Ford 6.0. The thing was always in the shop for something. Even though his truck was under warrantee it was killing his business.

Another case is a friend with horses. She runs around the state doing rodeo stuff. I think you can see this would not be a good time for a part or engine to fail. You just can't have horses in a trailer along side of the road in July.

Another case is keeping your truck for a long time. I know I'm odd man out on this deal but I keep my trucks a long time. I just don't make the money to buy a 50, 60, 70 thousand dollar truck every 3 to 5 years or so like a lot of you do on this forum. I don't need my truck to make it just past warrantee period. I need to have that truck last 20 years past the warrantee period without a major failure. A 10, 15 20 thousand dollar repair bill is just out of the question.

Then there is the parts availability and safety issue. I have a BMW that has a recall on the airbags. I went to take it in after they issued the recall and they said there were no airbags to be had. Well my daughter is driving this car and the recall still isn't done on it. Some of these trucks on the market take months to get the parts in. How is that going to work with a small business that may only have 1 or 2 trucks in it's fleet?

Anyway, that's why "I" get pissed off. :B

Please tell us what truck it is that you have that is 23 years old(20 years past warranty) and has had no major problems? How many miles does this truck have on it? Have you had any issues at all with this 23 year old truck?

So tell us what diesel we should buy that has no problems? We know from your constant posting that it is not a Ford. It couldn't be a Duramax as they have previously had injector issues, overheating, and recently DEF issues with trucks going into limp mode. Of course the Ram has had tranny issues, front end issues including buybacks, brake controllers not working. So what is this perfect diesel that is going to go 23 years and have no issues? I want to know so I can purchase it.

I think what he meant was that it's one thing to have to put a truck in the shop for 1 or tw2 days. You can normally deal with that. But when you have a brand new truck and you know it's sitting there with it's guts laying on the bench waiting on someone to decide how to fix a problem that should have never been built and no one can give you any answers and they want to give you a loaner Ford escort to replace an F350 it gets kind of old.

I bought a car in 93 that had 8,000 miles on it that was sold to me as new car with full warranty because the dealer used it as a demo. I had the car for 13 months and it was in the shop for 6 of those months (not all at one time). The last time it was in the shop was at around 15,000 miles. It was in there for 3 months total waiting on 1 piston for a V6. The Manufacture would not approve a loaner for any of the time it was in there because they said "you did not by the extended warranty". Needless to say I will never buy another vehicle from this manufacture for a personal ride. By reading all the stuff I read that people are still to this day having problems with it don't look like anthing has changed since then either.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I can't speak for anybody but myself Don.

In my case I own a business and NEED my truck to run every single time I turn the key. I don't have time to deal with service departments for warrantee repair. The down time can kill a small business.

Case in point: A very good friend owns a small business and had a Ford 6.0. The thing was always in the shop for something. Even though his truck was under warrantee it was killing his business.

Another case is a friend with horses. She runs around the state doing rodeo stuff. I think you can see this would not be a good time for a part or engine to fail. You just can't have horses in a trailer along side of the road in July.

Another case is keeping your truck for a long time. I know I'm odd man out on this deal but I keep my trucks a long time. I just don't make the money to buy a 50, 60, 70 thousand dollar truck every 3 to 5 years or so like a lot of you do on this forum. I don't need my truck to make it just past warrantee period. I need to have that truck last 20 years past the warrantee period without a major failure. A 10, 15 20 thousand dollar repair bill is just out of the question.

Then there is the parts availability and safety issue. I have a BMW that has a recall on the airbags. I went to take it in after they issued the recall and they said there were no airbags to be had. Well my daughter is driving this car and the recall still isn't done on it. Some of these trucks on the market take months to get the parts in. How is that going to work with a small business that may only have 1 or 2 trucks in it's fleet?

Anyway, that's why "I" get pissed off. :B

Please tell us what truck it is that you have that is 23 years old(20 years past warranty) and has had no major problems? How many miles does this truck have on it? Have you had any issues at all with this 23 year old truck?

So tell us what diesel we should buy that has no problems? We know from your constant posting that it is not a Ford. It couldn't be a Duramax as they have previously had injector issues, overheating, and recently DEF issues with trucks going into limp mode. Of course the Ram has had tranny issues, front end issues including buybacks, brake controllers not working. So what is this perfect diesel that is going to go 23 years and have no issues? I want to know so I can purchase it.

I can't speak for anybody but myself Don.

In my case I own a business and NEED my truck to run every single time I turn the key. I don't have time to deal with service departments for warrantee repair. The down time can kill a small business.

Case in point: A very good friend owns a small business and had a Ford 6.0. The thing was always in the shop for something. Even though his truck was under warrantee it was killing his business.

Another case is a friend with horses. She runs around the state doing rodeo stuff. I think you can see this would not be a good time for a part or engine to fail. You just can't have horses in a trailer along side of the road in July.

Another case is keeping your truck for a long time. I know I'm odd man out on this deal but I keep my trucks a long time. I just don't make the money to buy a 50, 60, 70 thousand dollar truck every 3 to 5 years or so like a lot of you do on this forum. I don't need my truck to make it just past warrantee period. I need to have that truck last 20 years past the warrantee period without a major failure. A 10, 15 20 thousand dollar repair bill is just out of the question.

Then there is the parts availability and safety issue. I have a BMW that has a recall on the airbags. I went to take it in after they issued the recall and they said there were no airbags to be had. Well my daughter is driving this car and the recall still isn't done on it. Some of these trucks on the market take months to get the parts in. How is that going to work with a small business that may only have 1 or 2 trucks in it's fleet?

Anyway, that's why "I" get pissed off. :B