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RobertRyan wrote:

Well you are trying to twist it again. Tier 2 pumps out twice the limits of The Euro 6 regulations.This is a number in Europe that is of great concern.

Then show me that Australia's current emissions are less!

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

No they are far from identical. otherwise we would have no problems adopting it. Twice the CO limits for Tier 2 :S

Show me. Because when I convert the Euro 6 CO g/km to current US CO g/mi requirement, they round out to be the same number.

Well you are trying to twist it again. Tier 2 pumps out twice the limits of The Euro 6 regulations.This is a number in Europe that is of great concern.
That was a problem Ford had with the 7.3 Diesels here they could not even meet Euro 4 without a lot of money being spent and they were dropped.

RobertRyan wrote:

No they are far from identical. otherwise we would have no problems adopting it. Twice the CO limits for Tier 2 :S

Show me. Because when I convert the Euro 6 CO g/km to current US CO g/mi requirement, they round out to be the same number.

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:


Problem reading? :h all countries outside NA by 2019-2020 Euro 6

So that means Australia currently has less stringent emission standards than the US. Correct?

And even after implantation of Euro 6.

Wrong. Tier 2 US regs come in a Euro 4, a decade behind. So no brainer that other countries have rejected the US Standards for something that is vastly better for the environment and more importantly individual health

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

We are going to going too Euro 6. US Tier 2 regulations have been rejected as unsuitable.,Co2, CO and particulate matter major concerns to All those planning to implement Euro 6 . Reasons Countries as disparate as China, EU, South Africa are going for the more effective regulations.

But if you are going to go Euro 6, then what are you now?

Although the CO2 and PM of Euro 6 and US tier 2 are just about identical so essentially they just copied what we did and called it something else. The only major difference is that NOx is higher with Euro 6.

No they are far from identical. otherwise we would have no problems adopting it. Twice the CO limits for Tier 2 :S

RobertRyan wrote:


Problem reading? :h all countries outside NA by 2019-2020 Euro 6

So that means Australia currently has less stringent emission standards than the US. Correct?

And even after implantation of Euro 6.

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

We are going to going too Euro 6. US Tier 2 regulations have been rejected as unsuitable.,Co2, CO and particulate matter major concerns to All those planning to implement Euro 6 . Reasons Countries as disparate as China, EU, South Africa are going for the more effective regulations.

But if you are going to go Euro 6, then what are you now?

Problem reading? :h all countries outside NA by 2019-2020 Euro 6

RobertRyan wrote:

We are going to going too Euro 6. US Tier 2 regulations have been rejected as unsuitable.,Co2, CO and particulate matter major concerns to All those planning to implement Euro 6 . Reasons Countries as disparate as China, EU, South Africa are going for the more effective regulations.

But if you are going to go Euro 6, then what are you now?

Although the CO2 and PM of Euro 6 and US tier 2 are just about identical so essentially they just copied what we did and called it something else. The only major difference is that NOx is higher with Euro 6.

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Pretty easy. We have Euro 5, to disappear at the end of the year.Cummins has been trying to develop an effective Euro 6 engine.It has lagged behind Japanese and Europeans in bringing one to market.
Europe does not have " US Design"Trucks,but Australia, New Zealand , and South Africa do. On the other hand their are many Cabover HDT European and Japanese Trucks, they all have no problems meeting Euro 6

So if you have Euro 5, then how are your emission standards higher than the US standards like you were trying to tell me in our last debate? Wouldn't that mean that your emissions standards are lower then the US(like I have trying to tell you) if you currently have Euro 5?

Note: Even though Euro 6 has lower NOx regulations. Heck, even this Ausie is smart enough to know it...... Australia’s weaker emissions standards allow car makers to ‘dump’ polluting cars

"In the United States the standards (referred to as the Tier 2 program) are more stringent than Euro 6, with the fleet average NOx close to 40 mg/km for both diesel and petrol engines. The Tier 2 program sets out the standards for tailpipe emissions for all passenger vehicles including sports utility vehicles (SUVs, minivans, and pick up trucks). Tier 2 will be replaced by stricter Tier 3 standards at the beginning of 2017."

Euro 6 NOx requirement: 180 mg/km
US EA NOx Requirement: 40 mg/km

Which seems lower to you?

We are going to going too Euro 6. US Tier 2 regulations have been rejected as unsuitable.,Co2, CO and particulate matter major concerns to All those planning to implement Euro 6 . Reasons Countries as disparate as China, EU, South Africa are going for the more effective regulations.

RobertRyan wrote:

Pretty easy. We have Euro 5, to disappear at the end of the year.Cummins has been trying to develop an effective Euro 6 engine.It has lagged behind Japanese and Europeans in bringing one to market.
Europe does not have " US Design"Trucks,but Australia, New Zealand , and South Africa do. On the other hand their are many Cabover HDT European and Japanese Trucks, they all have no problems meeting Euro 6

So if you have Euro 5, then how are your emission standards lower than the US standards like you were trying to tell me in our last debate? Wouldn't that mean that your emissions standards are higher than the US(like I have trying to tell you) if you currently have Euro 5?

Note: Although, even Euro 6 has lower NOx regulations. Heck, even this Ausie is smart enough to know it...... Australia’s weaker emissions standards allow car makers to ‘dump’ polluting cars

"In the United States the standards (referred to as the Tier 2 program) are more stringent than Euro 6, with the fleet average NOx close to 40 mg/km for both diesel and petrol engines. The Tier 2 program sets out the standards for tailpipe emissions for all passenger vehicles including sports utility vehicles (SUVs, minivans, and pick up trucks). Tier 2 will be replaced by stricter Tier 3 standards at the beginning of 2017."

Euro 6 NOx requirement: 180 mg/km
US Tier 2 NOx Requirement: 40 mg/km

Which seems lower to you?