Same horse power and torque is up to 450ft/lbs. Also a duel fuel system and a servo controlled waste gate.This engine appears to raise the bar on pulling performance and fuel economy could raise the bar on gas engines.The 10 speed appears to be equally an impressive piece that is a very compact package.Link

:) Hi, Thank You for supplying the link. Love to have all the new stuff, but my 2014 has to go for another 8 years and about another 75,000 miles before I buy another new truck. This might be my last tow vehicle.

That is a lot of power in a small package. It specs out about as good as my 6.8L behemoth.

Looks exciting! But I'm with Bob...I'm driving my current one as far as it will take me. I'm 46 now. Hope that this truck is the last I buy. In my mid 50's we will switch from trailer to our retirement motorhome.

Very interesting, thanks. Have to wonder at what point all those gears becomes a reliability liability as those torque numbers continue to go stratospheric and the room available stays essentially the same.

Wow 450 ft lbs of torque. Crazy!!! Love to have one but I need payload.

Second Gen 3.5 EcoBoost and 10 Speed Transmission

mich800
Explorer
May 11, 2016
RWDIII wrote:
hemismith wrote:
mtofell1 wrote:
At some point does the high number of gears in a tranny become an annoyance due to gear hunting? I've heard a few complaints on the Ram 8spd for this. I'm currently in a 6sp which, when I was a kid, was 3 more gears than the best tranny :) 10 just seems ridiculous.

That's what I was thinking. I wonder if they'll skip gears under light load.

I looked up the ratios on the new 10 speed and the ratios of my 6sp(Ford) and in 10th speed I would be going 109 rpm slower 1740 vs 1850
at 68 mph(garmin) 70mph speedo.
Wont be trading the Ford soon:h

There is only so much OD a vehicle can carry before there is a lack of power to hold that gear or downshift. But now you can get lower starting gears and closer differentials between gears helping to keep the vehicle in the powerband or sweet spot for fuel economy.
RWDIII
Explorer
May 11, 2016
hemismith wrote:
mtofell1 wrote:
At some point does the high number of gears in a tranny become an annoyance due to gear hunting? I've heard a few complaints on the Ram 8spd for this. I'm currently in a 6sp which, when I was a kid, was 3 more gears than the best tranny :) 10 just seems ridiculous.

That's what I was thinking. I wonder if they'll skip gears under light load.

I looked up the ratios on the new 10 speed and the ratios of my 6sp(Ford) and in 10th speed I would be going 109 rpm slower 1740 vs 1850
at 68 mph(garmin) 70mph speedo.
Wont be trading the Ford soon:h
hone_eagle
Explorer
May 11, 2016
I bet the 10 gears are to cover as many conditions as possible,light /heavy/ loaded / different speeds /hills etc .
Doubt if if will run through every gear every time.
fireman41
Explorer
May 11, 2016
hone eagle wrote:
hemismith wrote:
mtofell1 wrote:
At some point does the high number of gears in a tranny become an annoyance due to gear hunting? I've heard a few complaints on the Ram 8spd for this. I'm currently in a 6sp which, when I was a kid, was 3 more gears than the best tranny :) 10 just seems ridiculous.

That's what I was thinking. I wonder if they'll skip gears under light load.

Skipping/ starting in a higher gear would not be surprising ,my 12 speed starts in third (load sensing) then 5.7.10 .12.

Better than freightliner, even Bob tailing the highest gear they start in is 2nd.

How many over drive gears is the Ford 10 speed going to have? If it's more than two I think would be prone to hunting more.
noteven
Explorer III
May 11, 2016
Sport45 wrote:
Fordlover wrote:
... But turbos do not an engine make...

Turbos make all the diesel owners proud. :) Without them the oil burners would be the wheezing pigs they used to be.

Personally, I'd like to see Ford add a couple of cylinders to the 3.5 and make a 4.6 ecoboost. With 15# of boost it would have the sea level performance (and gas consumption) of the old 460 at any elevation while maintaining the unloaded economy of a small block.

V10 EcoBoost 600HP!
hone_eagle
Explorer
May 11, 2016
hemismith wrote:
mtofell1 wrote:
At some point does the high number of gears in a tranny become an annoyance due to gear hunting? I've heard a few complaints on the Ram 8spd for this. I'm currently in a 6sp which, when I was a kid, was 3 more gears than the best tranny :) 10 just seems ridiculous.

That's what I was thinking. I wonder if they'll skip gears under light load.

Skipping/ starting in a higher gear would not be surprising ,my 12 speed starts in third (load sensing) then 5.7.10 .12.
Turtle_n_Peeps
Explorer
May 11, 2016
Sport45 wrote:
Fordlover wrote:
... But turbos do not an engine make...

Turbos make all the diesel owners proud. :) Without them the oil burners would be the wheezing pigs they used to be.

Personally, I'd like to see Ford add a couple of cylinders to the 3.5 and make a 4.6 ecoboost. With 15# of boost it would have the sea level performance (and gas consumption) of the old 460 at any elevation while maintaining the unloaded economy of a small block.

Why on earth would you want to downgrade to the HP of a 460? The Ecoboost makes 100 to 150 more HP then that old boat anchor. In fact the Ecoboost already makes more HP then almost any big block ever put in a truck.
hemismith
Explorer
May 11, 2016
mtofell1 wrote:
At some point does the high number of gears in a tranny become an annoyance due to gear hunting? I've heard a few complaints on the Ram 8spd for this. I'm currently in a 6sp which, when I was a kid, was 3 more gears than the best tranny :) 10 just seems ridiculous.

That's what I was thinking. I wonder if they'll skip gears under light load.
hemismith
Explorer
May 11, 2016
Sport45 wrote:
Turbos make all the diesel owners proud. :) Without them the oil burners would be the wheezing pigs they used to be.

Personally, I'd like to see Ford add a couple of cylinders to the 3.5 and make a 4.6 ecoboost. With 15# of boost it would have the sea level performance (and gas consumption) of the old 460 at any elevation while maintaining the unloaded economy of a small block.

Agreed.
mtofell1
Explorer
May 11, 2016
At some point does the high number of gears in a tranny become an annoyance due to gear hunting? I've heard a few complaints on the Ram 8spd for this. I'm currently in a 6sp which, when I was a kid, was 3 more gears than the best tranny :) 10 just seems ridiculous.