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- Dually. Because it throws more snow when doing donuts in the abandoned parking lot
Grit dog wrote:
Good job boys, but we're only 3 pages into the hypothetical scenarios and rhetoric!
I’m just commenting to help push it to page 5....- When you have had a chance to tow a 23k DRV wide body that is 13'5" tall in 40+ mph winds hitting you at a 45 from the front towing at 75mph and feel totally secure and solid you have no idea how good the towing is with a modern DRW.
You people always on or over the edge I truly hope you never get into a OH Sh!T situation with your load. - "SRW for me. I would prefer to compromise with a smaller trailer than the wide truck."
Truly sad many don't think like you!
"OH I only tow a short distance a few times a year" "It handles just fine" "It has the same brakes and engine as a DRW"
The list goes on and on! blt2ski wrote:
Lantley wrote:
blt2ski wrote:
Assuming both the single and the dual axeled rig have the same GAWR, assume 10,000 lbs,same overall width of 8'
,the single axel will weigh upwards of 200 lbs less than the dual rig. a semi with a 20K axle will be 300-400 lbs less with super singles. As such, singles will have more payload potential than a dually. Being as they weigh less, less HP/torque is needed to get the tires moving, along with staying moving at a given speed, so better MPG should be expected and achieved. Assuming these specs, the single tired rig is the better option.....
Marty
1st paragraph scenario DRW truck will still have better braking and more stability. The axle rating is not the determining factor when it comes to comparing towing performance between the 2 trucks.
Physics (wider stance) still plays a factor.
I stated overall width would be the same! BOTH would have the same brakes, as they are both rated the same. Having diven rigs with the same dual vs single axel with the same everything, reality, no difference in handling, and the extra payload is there for the single rig, as the tires and rims weigh overall less on a single, than a dual rig.
In the video, obviously the rig that is shorter and narrower will win the driving thru a car wash, drive thru window etc. Shorter in height is also a big factor getting thru some drive thrus too.
Again, assuming the only difference between two rigs, is a single vs dual tires, the single is the better option. Hence why one is seeing many more tractor trailer rigs with singles vs dual setups. tare wieght savings, better traction, better braking, better mpgs etc. If we pickup owners could get the same wide width stance with a single as a dual, then yes, the dually is better in some standpoints.
Marty
Well I have never seen a 3500 come with super singles.
I have also never seen an 18 wheeler go thru a drive thru (though I am sure someone has attempted it) There are some 18 wheeler truck washes though.Grit dog wrote:
Good job boys, but we're only 3 pages into the hypothetical scenarios and rhetoric!
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We are talking comparing SRW to DRW pickups, not commercial semis.
A DRW will carry more weight than a SRW pure and simple.
A CC long bed DRW will fit most places that a CC long bed SRW will fit.
Neither will fit where a Smart Car will fit.
Will a DRW fit in a parking garage, yes in many, size is mostly in ones mind.
Too many people look at a payload sticker and think that is how much pin weight I can have, NOT! TV needs to be loaded for towing hitch, people, fuel, DEF, etc. then hit scales and see what is left of payload, or rear axle rating if you chose to go that way.- Good job boys, but we're only 3 pages into the hypothetical scenarios and rhetoric!
- Hence why I said, paragraph one, or two? I used paragraph 1 as my why I would use a single. If going with paragraph 2, either could work or be needed for multiple reasons shapes or forms. If you have a heavy family of 6 like I do and did when 4 kids were teenagers, a typical half ton 15 series rig is max loaded with the 6 of us on board, hence it has no ability to tow a trailer per say, staying with in manufactures ratings. I need a 1 ton dually to a class 6 to tow what some do with a typical 25/35 series sw truck can do. I need 1200-1500 lbs of payload for the people! Now add in whatever for hitch weight, our two alaska malamutes at 150 lbs ea, canoe, generator etc........
No matter if you are an RV person, Boat, horse trailer, commercial, both as I have been, you need the correct total payload truck, with power, gearing in trans, axels etc to meet YOUR performance requirements in a tow rig. Not the J whatever ratings, as those may not meet your performance needs. Otherwise, as one murderator was known as on here "answerswillvery" as she was a school teacher. Their is not one correct answer overall if the options have many variables to them. So in reality, deciding which is better, one needs to make the choices, as close to equal as you can. Hence why my paragraph one vs two answers.
Marty - Marty I get your point. But your making up scenarios that maybe more common in the commercial world but are rare for your average pick up buyer.
Duallies are always wider vs. SRW. when it comes to pick ups,
Why go down the what if they are the same with path?
In scenario 2 not many RV'ers are using cab and chassis trucks, those that do are generally not looking for advice or comparisons on this forum.
Your taking limited and rare configurations and comparing them to your everyday mainstream pickups as though your average RV'er is towing with a cab and chassis SRW truck. I imagine 99% of us RV'ers towing with a pickup built to factory specs. - Rhagfo,
Now you are into paragraph two.........
One has to assume one can get both to be equal, be it commercial or personal use. Many pickups are used commercially. So they do follow commercial regs. If one gets a SW or DW pickup based cab and chassis truck, one can change out the tires, brakes, add a drop, etc etc, If one does not have the ability from the factory to get a rig equally equipped, you are now into paragraph two. Where the two vehicles are not equipped the same no matter how you slice the cake. ie your apples and oranges comparison. I'm assuming for a paragraph one example to work, you need BOTH to be equal except for the tire part.
Marty
