Sub tow vehicle

Your actual weights will exceed 5k lbs which puts any of the midsize V6 SUVs out of the picture. You don't mention if you want a new or used vehicle but it needs to be a full size V8 to get a tow rating and payload that you'll need. Take your pick;
Dodge Durango
Jeep Grand Cherokee
VW Toureg
Toyota Sequoia
Toyota V8 4Runner (no longer made new)
Chev Tahoe/ GMC Yukon
Nissan Armada
Ford Expedition
Any 1/2 ton truck

Looking at the 2109S specs, the actual tongue weight will easily be over 500lbs, after just adding battery weight and propane.
That's before you add the weight of cargo and water in the trailer.

I don't know of any v-6 SUV that can handle more than 500lbs tongue weight.

Very few mid sized SUVs have the receiver limits to support 600 pounds of loaded TW. If that is 4200 pounds dry, then your TW will be closer to 700 pounds loaded up. That leaves you at Jeep Grand Cherokee, Dodge Durango, and some expensive imports. Meanwhile, any of the full size half tons would do very well with 5000 pounds loaded.

Saint Augustine wrote:

bikendan wrote:

Saint Augustine wrote:
I'm going with brochure rate and adding a a couple of hundred pounds for loading. I'm looking at the 21 ft. Line that Forest River has. The line with the slides. Just beginning my search. Thanks for responses so far.

You still haven't told us which spec is the 4200 number.

Is it the fictional brochure/website dry weight or the GVWR number?

And what is the dry hitch weight? That's the number that most SUVs will have issues with.

Base/dry unit weight of rock wood mini lite 2109s, a unit we are looking at is 4091.

well then, my Rockwood had the same brochure/website Base/dry weight.

when it arrived from the factory, its actual weight was 4471lbs.
loaded for camping, for two of us, it is a minimum of 5000lbs.

so figure you'll need a v-8 SUV.

The longer the wheelbase on the TV the better !

Bumpyroad wrote:

Saint Augustine wrote:
Sorry about vagueness. we do not have the trailer or the tow vehicle. We want to match. Basically we ant a TT about 21 ft that can sleep two comfortably without making the couch one bed and the dinette another. We want to sleep together in a bed that stays a bed. We want to shower comfortably. We had two Pleasure Ways but the showers were not usable in our opinion. We have been into RVing a long time and have never "both" been satisfied with the same unit. This time we want to try harder to get it right. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Bob

my Ascend 17 RD meets your needs and was 3500 or so dry. the 19 footer would be a little more liveable.
bumpy

Will check it out. Thanks.

bikendan wrote:

Saint Augustine wrote:
I'm going with brochure rate and adding a a couple of hundred pounds for loading. I'm looking at the 21 ft. Line that Forest River has. The line with the slides. Just beginning my search. Thanks for responses so far.

You still haven't told us which spec is the 4200 number.

Is it the fictional brochure/website dry weight or the GVWR number?

And what is the dry hitch weight? That's the number that most SUVs will have issues with.

Base/dry unit weight of rock wood mini lite 2109s, a unit we are looking at is 4091.

I looked up the Flagstaff Micro Lite 21FBRS as a sampling, and dry weight is 4037 lbs. So I am going to speculate that most likely you are giving us a dry weight. Adding 200 lbs is unrealistic; you have to figure in some water (8.3 lbs per gallon), LP, battery, clothing, pots & pans, towels, and more. Better to assume that a similar weight TT would be north of 5000 lbs when loaded.

And then you have to consider hitch weight. The aforementioned Flagstaff lists 437 lbs dry hitch, which will likely be 650-700 lbs when ready to camp.

A Jeep Grand Cherokee (diesel or V8, not V6), Dodge Durango or similar size SUV would be the minimum TV I'd want. Make sure the hitch will take at least 700 lbs, but preferably more.

Saint Augustine wrote:
I'm going with brochure rate and adding a a couple of hundred pounds for loading. I'm looking at the 21 ft. Line that Forest River has. The line with the slides. Just beginning my search. Thanks for responses so far.

You still haven't told us which spec is the 4200 number.

Is it the fictional brochure/website dry weight or the GVWR number?

And what is the dry hitch weight? That's the number that most SUVs will have issues with.

Saint Augustine wrote:
Sorry about vagueness. we do not have the trailer or the tow vehicle. We want to match. Basically we ant a TT about 21 ft that can sleep two comfortably without making the couch one bed and the dinette another. We want to sleep together in a bed that stays a bed. We want to shower comfortably. We had two Pleasure Ways but the showers were not usable in our opinion. We have been into RVing a long time and have never "both" been satisfied with the same unit. This time we want to try harder to get it right. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Bob

my Ascend 17 RD meets your needs and was 3500 or so dry. the 19 footer would be a little more liveable.
bumpy