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rhagfo wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
I don’t think you will notice. ;)
One of your numbers are inverted. I’m betting 137# difference.
Yep, that is what I get for being a lefty.
YUP, completely understand!!!wilber1 wrote:
mich800 wrote:
APT wrote:
Lynnmor wrote:
Of course all the discussion about needing more gears only pertains to those folks that operate at wide open throttle a significant amount of time.
Is that what owners of vehicles that have had 4->6->8 or 10 speeds say? There are more benefits to having more gears available than WOT acceleration.
I had 4-spds in my two F-150s. Now 6-spd in Suburban, 9-spd in my wife's daily driver and CVT in my DD. While I agree WOT and high throttle such as towing the difference is more measurable, but I always appreciate have the trans pick a ratio quickly that matches my demands. Te smaller the gear spacing, the more efficient and effective the power will be.
I have the privilege to drive a lot of vehicles with different technologies. If anything, my experience is the higher gear transmissions have more benefits at more moderate
throttle than full throttle.
I disagree when it come to tow vehicles. Having more gears makes it more possible to use the power one has. Who hasn’t been stuck between gears pulling up a grade? You can’t use a lower gear at WOT because you keep bumping up against the redline and the next higher gear isn’t low enough to hold your speed, so you either slow down to keep from over reving or keep shifting back and forth.
They are not designing these transmissions for single purpose vehicles. And yes your example is true especially if you are pedal to the floor the entire way up. I did not mean to imply there is not a benefit for tow vehicles.
Another advantage is improved fuel economy and they are not measuring that at straight full throttle. "just driving around" is where you see these benefits.mich800 wrote:
APT wrote:
Lynnmor wrote:
Of course all the discussion about needing more gears only pertains to those folks that operate at wide open throttle a significant amount of time.
Is that what owners of vehicles that have had 4->6->8 or 10 speeds say? There are more benefits to having more gears available than WOT acceleration.
I had 4-spds in my two F-150s. Now 6-spd in Suburban, 9-spd in my wife's daily driver and CVT in my DD. While I agree WOT and high throttle such as towing the difference is more measurable, but I always appreciate have the trans pick a ratio quickly that matches my demands. Te smaller the gear spacing, the more efficient and effective the power will be.
I have the privilege to drive a lot of vehicles with different technologies. If anything, my experience is the higher gear transmissions have more benefits at more moderate
throttle than full throttle.
I disagree when it come to tow vehicles. Having more gears makes it more possible to use the power one has. Who hasn’t been stuck between gears pulling up a grade? You can’t use a lower gear at WOT because you keep bumping up against the redline and the next higher gear isn’t low enough to hold your speed, so you either slow down to keep from over reving or keep shifting back and forth.APT wrote:
Lynnmor wrote:
Of course all the discussion about needing more gears only pertains to those folks that operate at wide open throttle a significant amount of time.
Is that what owners of vehicles that have had 4->6->8 or 10 speeds say? There are more benefits to having more gears available than WOT acceleration.
I had 4-spds in my two F-150s. Now 6-spd in Suburban, 9-spd in my wife's daily driver and CVT in my DD. While I agree WOT and high throttle such as towing the difference is more measurable, but I always appreciate have the trans pick a ratio quickly that matches my demands. Te smaller the gear spacing, the more efficient and effective the power will be.
I have the privilege to drive a lot of vehicles with different technologies. If anything, my experience is the higher gear transmissions have more benefits at more moderate throttle than full throttle.ExxWhy wrote:
CoeyCoey wrote:
I don't understand why people are still getting excited about these relics. If the consumers would demand better trucks, we would have diesel-electric hybrids that could easily tow 30,000+ pounds at 65mph up the Ike
Maybe it's because the technology for the electric trailer pulling truck does not exist yet? (someday it will, just not today)
Maybe because people aren't ready for the sticker shock that a locomotive hybrid truck would cost? It's a bit more involved than scale up a pre-us and call it good.
Maybe if consumers would demand better RV quality we'd get it. Oh wait, the quality unit does exist. They are just out of the price range of most people.
Why are people excited about the latest high tech computer that makes phone calls when it will be obsolete and sold on eBay for a tiny fraction of it's cost in a few short years?
It's just what we do. I like the new relics.
The tech does exist, and 80 grand for an overpriced fuel hog before upgrades is obviously not sticker shock enough.Lynnmor wrote:
Of course all the discussion about needing more gears only pertains to those folks that operate at wide open throttle a significant amount of time.
Is that what owners of vehicles that have had 4->6->8 or 10 speeds say? There are more benefits to having more gears available than WOT acceleration.
I had 4-spds in my two F-150s. Now 6-spd in Suburban, 9-spd in my wife's daily driver and CVT in my DD. While I agree WOT and high throttle such as towing the difference is more measurable, but I always appreciate have the trans pick a ratio quickly that matches my demands. Te smaller the gear spacing, the more efficient and effective the power will be.- that 7.3 with a Ten speed could prove to be a really good Gas option, the current 6.2 Ford, 6.4 Ram and 6.0 GM won't even be close to this combo and will most likely force them to up their game.
CoeyCoey wrote:
I don't understand why people are still getting excited about these relics. If the consumers would demand better trucks, we would have diesel-electric hybrids that could easily tow 30,000+ pounds at 65mph up the Ike
Maybe it's because the technology for the electric trailer pulling truck does not exist yet? (someday it will, just not today)
Maybe because people aren't ready for the sticker shock that a locomotive hybrid truck would cost? It's a bit more involved than scale up a pre-us and call it good.
Maybe if consumers would demand better RV quality we'd get it. Oh wait, the quality unit does exist. They are just out of the price range of most people.
Why are people excited about the latest high tech computer that makes phone calls when it will be obsolete and sold on eBay for a tiny fraction of it's cost in a few short years?
It's just what we do. I like the new relics.Cummins12V98 wrote:
I don’t think you will notice. ;)
One of your numbers are inverted. I’m betting 137# difference.
Yep, that is what I get for being a lefty.Lynnmor wrote:
Of course all the discussion about needing more gears only pertains to those folks that operate at wide open throttle a significant amount of time.
Personally I am holding out for the 29 speed automatic transmission.
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