For those that have gotten Vision wheels and those that are considering getting them, I had a post about 3 years ago about the problems that I had. I was criticized by some that they have had no problems with them. I feel that I should bring to the attention of one of the things that I found with these wheels at least with the respects with Ford trucks. I am not familiar with how they are made for other trucks. When I got mine ( and was very excited at the time) After I had them installed and brought the truck home I CHECKED to make sure they were tightened properly as I was about to load my camper. Upon checking I found 2 lugs on 2 different tires to be damaged. On further inspection I found that the lug had pulled through the wheel because the wheel was machined in the back with a recess of about 1/8" -3/16" for a clip that is installed at the factory that is easily removed, it is only put there during assembly of the unit. Never the less, this is something that can be removed when installing a wheel or changing a rotor or drum. In short any tightening of these aftermarket wheels or any like them one needs to find out what the torque specs. are BEFORE you have them installed. I had to sell some new wheels and tires after I got the the wheels replaced an decided that I did not what a wheel on my truck that could be prone to any problems should I be in need of assistance from an outside service.