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mlts22
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Aug 12, 2013

TC or a "B", would like some opinions/advice...

My current situation: I currently drive a 1/2 ton shortbed (5.5' bed) as my daily driver. With storage a premium, the only real vehicle I have been considering is a "B", however, the cheapest "B" that isn't stripped down (as in no shower) MSRPs in my neck of the woods for over six digits.

A co-worker recently showed pictures of him boondocking in Death Valley with his 4WD pickup and TC.

This got the gears turning: If I traded in my half-ton (which is absolutely -useless- for anything but hauling a TT) for a one ton extended cab shortbed (not crew cab), I might have something that can work as both a DD and can haul a decent TC. I can squeeze my current half-ton in parking garages, so I don't think an extra foot of length will kill me there, although a long bed dually would be a different story altogether.

There seem to be some nice advantages of a TC over a "B" for me (who mainly travels by his lonesome.) Mainly one less vehicle (drivetrain, engine) to maintain/secure/insure, and the fact that I'd have only one car payment, not two. There are also disadvantages.

A few questions:

1: What are some good TC models that can fit on a shortbed (6.5') truck? I'm looking to buy something decent (with generator) for some extended boondocking expeditions.

2: If the TC allows for a tow hitch extender, I'd like to bring along a cargo rack with a number of propane bottles. In Texas, generator run time is critical, so I plan to carry plenty of LP gas.

3: Where can I store a TC? Can one fit in a normal parking place or garage?

4: Is the width of a TC prohibitive when parallel parking? I plan to park near events if possible.

5: Is a diesel engine required? I'm leery of newer diesels since I keep reading about blown turbos, water getting past filters and hydrolocking the engine, causing $20k repair bills, clogged DPFs (to the tune of $3200 bills), etc.

6: I read that TCs in general come with LP gas generators. From my experience, even something as small as a 2500LP will use 1.6 pounds (0.4 gallons) an hour at half load, and 2.3 pounds/hour when at full load. Which means about eight hours, assuming a 20# tank is filled to 16 pounds, I've drained a bottle completely dry. What do people do for extended run time? I'd prefer to use the inboard Onan if possible, as opposed to buying two Honda EU2000i models, parallel kit and run tank. Should I try to carry two larger (30 or 40 pound) bottles as well as the 2-5 gallon tank (using an Extend-a-stay device)?

7: How troublesome is it to leave the truck cab and hop in the back? The biggest advantage to me for a "B" is the fact that I don't have to hop out in a seedy area to take a nap -- I just jump from the cab seats to the bed, and that's it. If someone is trying to attack, I just hop to the cab and drive off.

8: I know this is very subjective, but compared to hitching/unhitching a TT, how time consuming is it to mount/demount a TC? I was told 2-3 hours with a TC once practiced, to mount or demount it. To me, especially in the Texas sun, hitching and unhitching is annoying since it means about 15-30 minutes out in the heat, which isn't an issue with a motorhome.

I know these are some basic questions, but I'd love some opinions, especially if one can get a reasonably comfortable TC on a shortbed one ton pickup that can be used for several days to a week boondocking.
  • Just up the road from you in Pflugerville is a dealer. Princess Craft. You w.ill get to look at what will fit on a 1 Ton. They also carry campers for smaller trucks like the Tacoma. It is a bearbones camper. It would not hurt to visit. I have visited with them several times. Bought a used NorthStar TC 800 from them years ago. I did not get my current camper from them because they did not have one in stock. I will be checking with them when I am looking at another one.

    Just some ideas to think about.
    Cliff
  • 1. Lance, as well as other manufacturers, make campers for short bed trucks.
    2. Towing wouldn't be an issue with the proper truck. See #5
    3. The TC will fit where the truck fits, height being the main concern. The trucks side mirrors extend past the width of the camper.
    4. With a 11 1/2' camper and no rear camera, I'm relatively particular about street parking. I don't do parallel parking.
    5. No. But, it's a pretty good idea. While I drive a 7.3 F-350 dually, GMC and Chevy diesels in the mid 2000 (06-07 before the emission issues) yrs enjoy a good rep. Not sure about Dodge. Diesel will give you more power and 20-25% better mileage.
    6. I have an on-board 3600 LP genny that powers everything in the camper at once, including the 13.5 a/c. They are good for convenience and short runs (as per your research). If I had a 'do-over', I would choose a Yamaha 2400 or 2 Honda 2000Is and carry a third fuel source. Not only are the two portables easier on fuel, but gas is much easier to find than propane. Not to mention that gas prices are reasonably congruent in most locations. Whereas propane prices vary widely across any given town. As mentioned, a 9.2 Polar Cub can be powered with one Honda or Yammie 2000.
    7. Not an issue for me as I don't stop in questionable areas. If it doesn't feel right, I move on.
    8. Takes practice... but, it takes me about 20 minutes to remove the turnbuckles, raise the camper with the remote, drive forward enough to unplug the camper, pull the truck forward, lower the camper to the ground and hook-up the electric, water, and sewer if applicable. Typically, loading the camper takes me about 30 minutes. But, it has taken me longer... after a few adult beverages and a good night's sleep.:W

    A TC is the "go anywhere, anytime" RV, unmatched in mobility and versatility. You have virtually all the amenities of a MOHO, 5er, or TT. What you sacrifice is floor space. Not a huge problem if you travel solo. However, with two people, there are a lot of "excuse me(s)", with three, it's "get the hell out of my way!" Sometimes, you'll have to go outside just to change your mind. However, if the pros outweigh the cons, a TC is the way to go.
  • It takes 30 min for my to unlatch and remove my TC. Electric Jacks make this possible. Class B is nice but seems overpriced to me for what you get. Ours came with the propane onboard gen. This is very convenient for Boondocking. We don't have the heat you would encounter in Texas. Can't answer anything about consumption.
  • When you are considering installing a built in LP gas generator, that is a fairly heavy option, not included in the dry weight of most campers. You also need to pay attention to the "Center of Gravity" that for most campers starts to go farther and farther from the cab as you add things well behind the tailgate, and especially heavy items like a generator or rear mounted shower, and it's tanks.

    Under the floor "Basement" tanks will bring the weight a little farther forward.

    I used to have a 75 F-350 SRW supercab with a 460" engine. The curb weight was a lot less than the current trucks, and I could carry 3,300 pounds in addition to a full load of 6 passengers. I had a 10' camper on it when I bought it, and later replaced it with a 9.5' Coachman camper built in 1972. It had a forward wet bath. Under the bath was a fresh water tank, sort of in a basement, the floor being raised about 6". Under the dinette also raised about 6" was the water pump and black tank. The floor next to the dinette and kitchen cabinets was not raised. So it was not a full basement.

    I really liked that design, because of the 3' forward bathroom, it was huge compared to most current campers. The rear 6'+ was the dinette on the passenger side and kitchen on the drivers side, leading to a 3' closet on the drivers side, front, with a door that opens the closet also closing off the hallway and bathroom. Of course orange plexiglass separated the cabover and bathroom. It was the "Modern 70's"

    Anyway after driving a camper for a lot of miles, and going in and out of National Parks, handling 25 - 35 MPH crosswinds, I can tell you it is realy nice to have plenty of that camper weight on the front axle, instead of it hanging way off the back. I was happy I had a longbed, despite it taking two blocks to make a u-turn.

    So I would recommend a F-350 SRW longbed if you plan to carry a light camper with a shower in it. A dually is recmmended if the camper "Dry" weight will be above 2,500 pounds. Wet weight and options like the generator you want will surely bring up that weight to well beyond the 3,500 to 3,800 pound cargo rating of the SRW F-350.

    I would also recommend gas engines, unless you really plan on driving it well over 15,000 miles a year. A small car for driving back and forth to work, and then a truck to take on vacations, you will be fine.

    Or look at Lance Campers, and see what the trailer weights are. Your 1/2 ton should be able to tow a 26' Lance trailer for a reasonable price, and have the ability to go off road too.

    Fred.
  • to address a couple of your questions

    I have torklift frame mounts with fast guns and electric Atwood jacks. I can load or unload the TC in about 15 minutes.

    A Coleman Polar Cub 9200 AC will run off a single Honda 2000 and you get 6/8 hours per gallon of gasolene.

    If you are in an area that it so unsafe that you can't get out of the vehicle are you going to be any safer being asleep inside of it?