Tell me your horror stories (Diesel)
Ok, so browsing through the thread about the 2011 Ford diesel left me in shock. Seems like there were many issues with the early builds of that engine. I know the Cummins and Duramax of that generat...
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4x4ord, that was cold, but funny, assuming ib516 feels the same way.
Lantley nailed the reasons for my question. With only a 10K trailer, it would seem to make a lot of sense to revisit the same issues that caused you to trade in your 07 CTD in the first place.
I don't think resale value makes much of a difference. You are a consumer, not a dealer, right? You are buying the truck to use, not to resell, right? So the real litmus test of selection revolves around how easy, enjoyable, and expensive is the truck of choice to own and operate, not to speculate on the truck's value to someone else at some future point in time.
I also don't think it makes that much of a difference between "new" diesels post 2015, versus prior year diesels, in terms of costs to maintain, outside of the exceptionally expensive status the Ford 6.0 and 6.4 engines have established over time.
When I decided to switch to a diesel truck back in 1991, having previously ruled out the Cummins 5.9L on a test drive in 1989, a good friend of mine who had been driving a diesel pickup since 1984 forewarned me as follows: "despite the better fuel economy of diesel, and despite the cheaper price of diesel fuel, maintenance on the diesel will cost you more than maintenance on a gas motor. A LOT more."
And this was old motors he was talking about. The Ford 6.9L, GM's 6.5L, the indirect injection 7.3L, and of course the break out Cummins. Coolant maintenance, cavitation, water pump seals, three times the crankcase oil on every change, more expensive filters, fuel gelling, glow plugs popping, water in the fuel, algae, etc. From a maintenance point of view, diesel cost more, and require more attention and diligence.
The same is true today as it is then, despite the tremendous leaps in technology that have been made in diesel engines. That new technology won't help when wandering deep into residential neighborhoods, far away from the trucker laden interstates, where just finding a station that sells diesel can be an issue.
The point here isn't to argue the merits of diesel vs gas... the point is to directly answer the question in the original post... regarding the diesels of today having fewer issues than the diesels of yesterday. And the answer is yes in many respects. At the same time, the answer is no, in that the same extra concerns and extra costs that diesel pick up owners have today, my good old friend was experiencing with diesel pickups in the late 80's.
Which is why I would argue that the best answer for you boils down to your personal experience, given that you have owned both types of trucks for a long enough period of time to get a feel for the ownership and maintenance demands of both. Yes, some things have changed, but some things haven't... and if you ditched your previous diesel due to the things that haven't, then it doesn't really matter how good the diesels of today have become.
Lantley nailed the reasons for my question. With only a 10K trailer, it would seem to make a lot of sense to revisit the same issues that caused you to trade in your 07 CTD in the first place.
I don't think resale value makes much of a difference. You are a consumer, not a dealer, right? You are buying the truck to use, not to resell, right? So the real litmus test of selection revolves around how easy, enjoyable, and expensive is the truck of choice to own and operate, not to speculate on the truck's value to someone else at some future point in time.
I also don't think it makes that much of a difference between "new" diesels post 2015, versus prior year diesels, in terms of costs to maintain, outside of the exceptionally expensive status the Ford 6.0 and 6.4 engines have established over time.
When I decided to switch to a diesel truck back in 1991, having previously ruled out the Cummins 5.9L on a test drive in 1989, a good friend of mine who had been driving a diesel pickup since 1984 forewarned me as follows: "despite the better fuel economy of diesel, and despite the cheaper price of diesel fuel, maintenance on the diesel will cost you more than maintenance on a gas motor. A LOT more."
And this was old motors he was talking about. The Ford 6.9L, GM's 6.5L, the indirect injection 7.3L, and of course the break out Cummins. Coolant maintenance, cavitation, water pump seals, three times the crankcase oil on every change, more expensive filters, fuel gelling, glow plugs popping, water in the fuel, algae, etc. From a maintenance point of view, diesel cost more, and require more attention and diligence.
The same is true today as it is then, despite the tremendous leaps in technology that have been made in diesel engines. That new technology won't help when wandering deep into residential neighborhoods, far away from the trucker laden interstates, where just finding a station that sells diesel can be an issue.
The point here isn't to argue the merits of diesel vs gas... the point is to directly answer the question in the original post... regarding the diesels of today having fewer issues than the diesels of yesterday. And the answer is yes in many respects. At the same time, the answer is no, in that the same extra concerns and extra costs that diesel pick up owners have today, my good old friend was experiencing with diesel pickups in the late 80's.
Which is why I would argue that the best answer for you boils down to your personal experience, given that you have owned both types of trucks for a long enough period of time to get a feel for the ownership and maintenance demands of both. Yes, some things have changed, but some things haven't... and if you ditched your previous diesel due to the things that haven't, then it doesn't really matter how good the diesels of today have become.
