Tesla Cybertruck

wilber1 wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

time2roll wrote:

wilber1 wrote:
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.

I understand range.

Turtle claimed better diesel torque and the Cybertruck was weak.
I want to know why the diesel with all that power and torque is so slow at accelerating (loaded or not) compared to Cybertruck.

And pissed off neighbors with the noise and stink.:B

Newer diesels are pretty quiet and they don't stink.

I'm actually a fan of EV's for many applications, I'm just not willfully blind to their limitations.

wilber1 wrote:

Newer diesels are pretty quiet and they don't stink.

I'm actually a fan of EV's for many applications, I'm just not willfully blind to their limitations.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

Bedlam wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Wow, I almost asked Elon to refund my hard-earned $100 for the Cybertruck with all the ghosts found under the hood of this truck.

Until wait, problem with 30 to 50% power drain on Cybertruck. My ICE is worst at more than 50% reduced mpg when towing.

I can only go 200 miles in full charge when towing. Wait, that my regular stops for gas up and lunch on my camping trips.

I'll have problems with off roading? How, it will have a ton more torque and ground clearance?

The bullet proof glass shattered? Who cares, I'm not going to Texas anyways.

The looks, oh yeah, it still have not grown into me yet. Anyone, wants to buy for $5,000 my high-priority place in order-reservation queue?

Real world towing is showing a range of 30-50 percent verses unloaded. The reduction is 50-70 percent.

BTW: My diesel has a 30 percent reduction when under load verses unloded.

Huh?:h:)

When and where? Have they already tested the Cybertruck under towing conditions? Dang, I missed that one!

Here is your Tesla towing. Watch what happens. The look on the kids face is priceless! LOL

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

time2roll wrote:

wilber1 wrote:
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.

I understand range.

Turtle claimed better diesel torque and the Cybertruck was weak.
I want to know why the diesel with all that power and torque is so slow at accelerating (loaded or not) compared to Cybertruck.

And pissed off neighbors with the noise and stink.:B

Reisender wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

time2roll wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

time2roll wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Let me try to explain to the fan bois.... my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.

Then why is your truck so much slower?

How do you know it is? Until it is certified at the track nothing is true. Nothing.

But lets say the spec's on the cyber junk are all true and the cyber junk goes 0 to 60 in 2 seconds or whatever. The reason the cyber junk would beat my truck is because HP and not torque. HP determines how "fast" AND "quick" a vehicle is.

Must we really go over this AGAIN? Torque is not power. I can have 1000 ft/lbs of torque at 1000 RPM and have less than 200 HP.

It takes a lot of HP to go fast and quick and you know what that takes? Yep, a lot of energy.

My car uses about 1.2 gallons of gasoline to drive a little less than a mile. A gallon of gasoline has a LOT of energy in it unlike LI batteries.

In fact a LI battery has about 10% the energy content of gasoline pound for pound. That means if I towed the trailer I have with an electric truck I would get about 40 miles down the road before I would need to "fill up" again.

Or to look at it another way I would have a 3.5 gallon tank in my Duramax. Nice hu? LOL :B

This is why lying Elon if FOS when he talks about the range of his cyber junk with a 125KW/hr battery.

Even a little tiny car made of all aluminum, with every aero trick in the book it can only go a little over 300 miles with a 100 KW/hr battery. And lying Elon said his jacked up junk made out of plate stainless like a armored truck with wide tires can go that and then some. He's full of bovine excrement.

Ford said they will bring it to lying Elon. But Ford will have apples to apples and not a 4x vs 2x like lying Elon did.

Good luck Elon. LOL BTW better get that FSD car done like you said would be finished by the end of this year! :B

OK so why is your truck so much slower?

I'm waiting for a longer kilometric answer for this simple burn!:C:B

The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.

In not sure why it’s a hurdle. I don’t really care how much my fuel weighs. I don’t think I have ever met anyone who does. EV’s outperform liquid fuelled vehicles in every way. Plus they can be fueled at home or work. I don’t think you are going to convince the next generation of car buyers that an old fashioned stinky noisy gutless vehicle that has to go to a gas dispensary to be fueled is better than a an EV because the fuel source is lighter or denser or any other goofy properties.

Just sayin. If you grow up in an EV household no way you look at something that “burns fuel”.

Reisender wrote:

In not sure why it’s a hurdle. I don’t really care how much my fuel weighs. I don’t think I have ever met anyone who does. EV’s outperform liquid fuelled vehicles in every way. Plus they can be fueled at home or work. I don’t think you are going to convince the next generation of car buyers that an old fashioned stinky noisy gutless vehicle that has to go to a gas dispensary to be fueled is better than a an EV because the fuel source is lighter or denser or any other goofy properties.

Just sayin. If you grow up in an EV household no way you look at something that “burns fuel”.

wilber1 wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

time2roll wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

time2roll wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Let me try to explain to the fan bois.... my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.

Then why is your truck so much slower?

How do you know it is? Until it is certified at the track nothing is true. Nothing.

But lets say the spec's on the cyber junk are all true and the cyber junk goes 0 to 60 in 2 seconds or whatever. The reason the cyber junk would beat my truck is because HP and not torque. HP determines how "fast" AND "quick" a vehicle is.

Must we really go over this AGAIN? Torque is not power. I can have 1000 ft/lbs of torque at 1000 RPM and have less than 200 HP.

It takes a lot of HP to go fast and quick and you know what that takes? Yep, a lot of energy.

My car uses about 1.2 gallons of gasoline to drive a little less than a mile. A gallon of gasoline has a LOT of energy in it unlike LI batteries.

In fact a LI battery has about 10% the energy content of gasoline pound for pound. That means if I towed the trailer I have with an electric truck I would get about 40 miles down the road before I would need to "fill up" again.

Or to look at it another way I would have a 3.5 gallon tank in my Duramax. Nice hu? LOL :B

This is why lying Elon if FOS when he talks about the range of his cyber junk with a 125KW/hr battery.

Even a little tiny car made of all aluminum, with every aero trick in the book it can only go a little over 300 miles with a 100 KW/hr battery. And lying Elon said his jacked up junk made out of plate stainless like a armored truck with wide tires can go that and then some. He's full of bovine excrement.

Ford said they will bring it to lying Elon. But Ford will have apples to apples and not a 4x vs 2x like lying Elon did.

Good luck Elon. LOL BTW better get that FSD car done like you said would be finished by the end of this year! :B

OK so why is your truck so much slower?

I'm waiting for a longer kilometric answer for this simple burn!:C:B

The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.

time2roll wrote:

wilber1 wrote:
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.

I understand range.

Turtle claimed better diesel torque and the Cybertruck was weak.
I want to know why the diesel with all that power and torque is so slow at accelerating (loaded or not) compared to Cybertruck.

wilber1 wrote:
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.