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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I give up, you don't read, or maybe you read but don't comprehend. Either way, it's just a waste of electrons. Thesis, riiiiiight.fj12ryder wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I don't mean to heckle, but you keep putting out this speculative verbiage as if it were a fact. I merely keep pointing out that it isn't a fact yet, it may be someday, but not right now. If you'll quit citing this stuff as facts, and not conjecture, I'll stop "heckling".fj12ryder wrote:
"Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range."
All I want after reading this is physical proof. Not that picture from a year ago with the semi sitting there with concrete barriers on it. I want to see an actual weight scale ticket and proof of mileage. And maybe even a new semi instead of those two old, tired examples.
Until then it's all just so much wishful thinking.
Our wishful thinking has at least some basis. This is the same techies called disruptors who moved the needle on EV from 30-mile range into 300. The same people who can make your home in the boondocks totally off-grid and not dependent on polluting carbon-based energy. The same people who revolutionized rocket science with reusable space vehicle and managed to have a rocket landing on a barge (analogy is that of threading a needle from 10 floors up on a gale).
So what do you have as basis other than ignorant heckling?
Yes, but will it be too much to ask for a little more brain cells into your posts a support to your argument a "linear regression of battery technology to explain why EVs can't extend anymore range or cannot tow long range"?
At least provide a cerebral counter-argument to those who have almost done a thesis on the realities of exponential progression on technologies of electric vehicles.fj12ryder wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I don't mean to heckle, but you keep putting out this speculative verbiage as if it were a fact. I merely keep pointing out that it isn't a fact yet, it may be someday, but not right now. If you'll quit citing this stuff as facts, and not conjecture, I'll stop "heckling".fj12ryder wrote:
"Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range."
All I want after reading this is physical proof. Not that picture from a year ago with the semi sitting there with concrete barriers on it. I want to see an actual weight scale ticket and proof of mileage. And maybe even a new semi instead of those two old, tired examples.
Until then it's all just so much wishful thinking.
Our wishful thinking has at least some basis. This is the same techies called disruptors who moved the needle on EV from 30-mile range into 300. The same people who can make your home in the boondocks totally off-grid and not dependent on polluting carbon-based energy. The same people who revolutionized rocket science with reusable space vehicle and managed to have a rocket landing on a barge (analogy is that of threading a needle from 10 floors up on a gale).
So what do you have as basis other than ignorant heckling?
Yes, but will it be too much to ask for a little more brain cells into your posts a support to your argument a "linear regression of battery technology to explain why EVs can't extend anymore range or cannot tow long range"?
At least provide a cerebral counter-argument to those who have almost done a thesis on the realities of exponential progression on technologies of electric vehicles.Groover wrote:
"Tesla is claiming a range of up to 500 miles but the truck isn't being sold yet. Mercedes is only claiming 250 miles for theirs. They will be short haul until batteries improve.
From what I have heard Tesla puts out the most conservative and accurate ratings of anybody. They generally hit the predicted range if you drive with traffic.
Will depend on the load. Energy out must equal energy in plus losses. The batteries are the limiting factor. Just physics.fj12ryder wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I don't mean to heckle, but you keep putting out this speculative verbiage as if it were a fact. I merely keep pointing out that it isn't a fact yet, it may be someday, but not right now. If you'll quit citing this stuff as facts, and not conjecture, I'll stop "heckling".fj12ryder wrote:
"Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range."
All I want after reading this is physical proof. Not that picture from a year ago with the semi sitting there with concrete barriers on it. I want to see an actual weight scale ticket and proof of mileage. And maybe even a new semi instead of those two old, tired examples.
Until then it's all just so much wishful thinking.
Our wishful thinking has at least some basis. This is the same techies called disruptors who moved the needle on EV from 30-mile range into 300. The same people who can make your home in the boondocks totally off-grid and not dependent on polluting carbon-based energy. The same people who revolutionized rocket science with reusable space vehicle and managed to have a rocket landing on a barge (analogy is that of threading a needle from 10 floors up on a gale).
So what do you have as basis other than ignorant heckling?
Cannot debate wishful thinking. Especially when they claim there is actually a semi in existence that has over 500 miles much less to a single charge.Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I don't mean to heckle, but you keep putting out this speculative verbiage as if it were a fact. I merely keep pointing out that it isn't a fact yet, it may be someday, but not right now. If you'll quit citing this stuff as facts, and not conjecture, I'll stop "heckling".fj12ryder wrote:
"Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range."
All I want after reading this is physical proof. Not that picture from a year ago with the semi sitting there with concrete barriers on it. I want to see an actual weight scale ticket and proof of mileage. And maybe even a new semi instead of those two old, tired examples.
Until then it's all just so much wishful thinking.
Our wishful thinking has at least some basis. This is the same techies called disruptors who moved the needle on EV from 30-mile range into 300. The same people who can make your home in the boondocks totally off-grid and not dependent on polluting carbon-based energy. The same people who revolutionized rocket science with reusable space vehicle and managed to have a rocket landing on a barge (analogy is that of threading a needle from 10 floors up on a gale).
So what do you have as basis other than ignorant heckling?- "Tesla is claiming a range of up to 500 miles but the truck isn't being sold yet. Mercedes is only claiming 250 miles for theirs. They will be short haul until batteries improve.
From what I have heard Tesla puts out the most conservative and accurate ratings of anybody. They generally hit the predicted range if you drive with traffic. - Heh heh. 8 or 9 years ago everybody said they could never get battery density good enough to get an EV to a 300 km range from the 120 km at the time. Now long range EV’s are at 600 km and medium range EV’s are at 350 to 450 km. Wait another 3 or 4 years and see where we are. :).
fj12ryder wrote:
"Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range."
All I want after reading this is physical proof. Not that picture from a year ago with the semi sitting there with concrete barriers on it. I want to see an actual weight scale ticket and proof of mileage. And maybe even a new semi instead of those two old, tired examples.
Until then it's all just so much wishful thinking.
Our wishful thinking has at least some basis. This is the same techies called disruptors who moved the needle on EV from 30-mile range into 300. The same people who can make your home in the boondocks totally off-grid and not dependent on polluting carbon-based energy. The same people who revolutionized rocket science with reusable space vehicle and managed to have a rocket landing on a barge (analogy is that of threading a needle from 10 floors up on a gale).
So what do you have as basis other than ignorant heckling?- "Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range."
All I want after reading this is physical proof. Not that picture from a year ago with the semi sitting there with concrete barriers on it. I want to see an actual weight scale ticket and proof of mileage. And maybe even a new semi instead of those two old, tired examples.
Until then it's all just so much wishful thinking. Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
free radical wrote:
So you're saying the same engineers who design rockets are designing the Teslas pickup? I would think: "Not likely", after all designing cars isn't rocket science. HAR!fj12ryder wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid.fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don’t see a “real pickup” as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a “real pickup” being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so.
My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on,
so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly.
Also
Id think Tesla engineers who also design Space X rockets know enough on how to build Unibody Exoskeleton with that hard 30x SSteel to make it strong enough not to flex or damage under any load
That's a step-down in technology really.
Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range.
Electric motors can move almost anything. The problem is. battery technology isn't up to the task of containing enough energy to move it very far under high load conditions.
Tesla is claiming a range of up to 500 miles but the truck isn't being sold yet. Mercedes is only claiming 250 miles for theirs. They will be short haul until batteries improve.
Model X or Cybertruck, it takes the same amount of energy to move the same weight the same distance.
