Tesla Launch of Pick-Up

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

ktosv wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
My son works at Tesla and this is just a confirmation of what he told me in secret a few months ago that their lab was reverse-engineering several full size pick ups.

I have always read that Tesla is so technologically advanced compared to other manufacturers. What possibly could they need to reverse engineer?

This must just be the fancier name for using, say, an F150 as prototype or proof of concept.

I'm sure that with Tesla's technology, they've already designed and calculated the power train requirements using just their computers.

F150 is the best candidate with it's light body construction.

Powertrain to match ANY one ton diesel is already in place.

I assume the engineering is more about frame/load carrying along with occupant comfort/convenience.

I for one hope the bed and ride height can be reduced as the trucks today seem to keep getting taller to the point many 5th wheels are nose high and you need to be 6'2"+ to see/reach over the bed rail to grab something.

ShinerBock wrote:

But I thought you said you see solutions? ..

Sorry Mr Magoo, lol, no solution will be good enough for those who say it can't be done.

You even know why those big companies flunk in their cash for advanced orders buying themselves problems you outlined.

What I know because I worked similar multinational companies, I know for sure, they've run their numbers and got their engineers to green-light these investments.

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
... Some are even stopping their ICE sedans. Once someone achieve the breakthrough in pure electric driven trucks, that will be next they'll go into.

Actually no one has stopped producing ICE vehicles. Several companies have said they're going to, but companies will say anything to get publicity and positive press. Believe it when it happens. IOW don't hold your breath.

ktosv wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
My son works at Tesla and this is just a confirmation of what he told me in secret a few months ago that their lab was reverse-engineering several full size pick ups.

I have always read that Tesla is so technologically advanced compared to other manufacturers. What possibly could they need to reverse engineer?

This must just be the fancier name for using, say, an F150 as prototype or proof of concept.

I'm sure that with Tesla's technology, they've already designed and calculated the power train requirements using just their computers.

F150 is the best candidate with it's light body construction.

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:


I don't know and except for my profits on Tesla stocks, I'm not being paid to provide people with engineering solutions.

Try writing to Elon, he responds to these kinds of inquiry.

But if you want to know, in general terms, how Tesla's problem solving capabilities, an Australian town needs electricity in quick order. Musk promised he'll be able to deliver a solar generating plant to power the whole town within 30 days. Someone bet against him for $1 Million. Guess who won?

In an analogy, if Tesla is coming up with energy hungry semis, that seems to be a less complicated problem than yours.

But then again, ask him yourself if you want more specifics.

But I thought you said you see solutions? So does that mean you don't know if he has solutions to these problems either?

Also, if his batteries and solar panels are built on a modular design, supplying a town with power in less than 30 days is really not that hard of a task if you have the money and manpower. Heck we did it in a quarter of that time in the center of a middle eastern desert back in the day.

pianotuna wrote:
Do go play Ostrich. If it had not been for the collusion of the tire companies and the oil companies would would have had electric trolley cars and long distance electric trains.

Sooner or later ice vehicles will be replaced. I just hope it happens even faster that I expect.

You are correct. Most car companies are quickly shifting into electric vehicles. Some are even stopping their ICE sedans. Once someone achieve the breakthrough in pure electric driven trucks, that will be next they'll go into.

ShinerBock wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

I must be repeating myself here, some people or company will see an electric semi a problem (like you), some will see it as a solution -- and some won't even be able to afford it.

I must repeat myself here as well, I never stated an electric semi was the problem. That is not the hard part. The hard part is charging a fleet of them (at night), the costs associated with doing so, the lack of parts/service support, and the lack infrastructure support.

By infrastructure support I don't mean a network of superchargers for cars, I mean underground/overhead utilities for mega-chargers. Since these mega-chargers will require almost twice as much energy as the average home uses in a month for just one truck, you will need a fairly large amount of copper to move the amount of energy required from a high voltage substation to these chargers in order charge a whole fleet of them in one night.

So what is your solution since you are the one that sees them?

I don't know and except for my profits on Tesla stocks, I'm not being paid to provide people with engineering solutions.

Try writing to Elon, he responds to these kinds of inquiry.

But if you want to know, in general terms, how Tesla's problem solving capabilities, an Australian town needs electricity in quick order. Musk promised he'll be able to deliver a solar generating plant to power the whole town within 30 days. Someone bet against him for $1 Million. Guess who won?

In an analogy, if Tesla is coming up with energy hungry semis, that seems to be a less complicated problem than yours.

But then again, ask him yourself if you want more specifics.

Do go play Ostrich. If it had not been for the collusion of the tire companies and the oil companies would would have had electric trolley cars and long distance electric trains.

Sooner or later ice vehicles will be replaced. I just hope it happens even faster that I expect.

Groover wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Groover wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
So inputting real world scenarios and costs into the convo is naysayer because it is not the sunshine and rainbows that you want to hear? Ya'll are doing the very same thing that you guys claim you know who is doing when he says fake news. Well, well, ya'll have something in common with him. Who 'da thunk it.....

No, you just sounded like my accountant who has problem for every solution, lol.

X2

And you guys sound like you drank too much of Elon's Kool-aide that you don't want to hear anything negative about Tesla even if it is reality.

I am going to go argue with my wife for a while, I make more progress with her.

Back at ya!

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

I must be repeating myself here, some people or company will see an electric semi a problem (like you), some will see it as a solution -- and some won't even be able to afford it.

I must repeat myself here as well, I never stated an electric semi was the problem. That is not the hard part. The hard part is charging a fleet of them (at night), the costs associated with doing so, the lack of parts/service support, and the lack infrastructure support.

By infrastructure support I don't mean a network of superchargers for cars, I mean underground/overhead utilities for mega-chargers. Since these mega-chargers will require almost twice as much energy as the average home uses in a month for just one truck, you will need a fairly large amount of copper to move the amount of energy required from a high voltage substation to these chargers in order charge a whole fleet of them in one night.

So what is your solution since you are the one that sees them?