TFLTruck tests 2017 Chevy 3500

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Me Again wrote:
NO doubt the Ford Torque Shift is one of their bright spots. Chris

Don't forget they have nice mirrors.

Drain pan with plug. 68RFE

Not the Aftermarket oil pan and Scamzoil marketing arm again!

Me Again wrote:
The 2016 Duramax was pushing the limits of the Alison 1000 in it's present form then. They have stayed out of the power race for a reason and it was not the Duramax or the AAM rear axle. Chris

Latest truck trend mag has some trucks that have the Allison trannie, dodge 48 trannie and the dodge 47 trannie with serious torque and HP.

Just sayin chevman

I need a new truck. Time to start a gofundme campaign!

Me Again wrote:
NO doubt the Ford Torque Shift is one of their bright spots. Chris

Don't forget they have nice mirrors.

Drain pan with plug. 68RFE

FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:

IdaD wrote:
The timing on those tests would have merit if there wasn't traffic, or if they went full throttle all the way. But there is traffic, and they don't go full throttle. Given that, the times don't mean much of anything. With an equal load I would expect the Duramax to be the fastest followed by the Powerstroke and then the Cummins. In the real world they're all plenty fast and powerful, though - it literally wasn't something I even considered when I evaluated the three.

x2. Even with higher ratings the Ford just can't seem to outpull the GM. It's surprised me a couple of times.

My lowly G56 powered Cummins would be a couples of minutes behind everyone but it will keep doing it reliably for years to come with less heat and easy maintenance so I'm OK with that!

The GM and the Ford will perform this task reliably for years to come too, and the maintenance is much easier on those as well. :W

Looks at it this way the truck that can pull up a hill the fastest is typically the truck that can pull that load the easiest.

Towing Just Got Easier! :B

Changing engine oil, yes. Servicing the slush box auto compared to the G56 manual, a big NO!

In regards to the fastest truck pulling the load the easiest, that means absolutely nothing. The 6.0L (at least when running) would easily out pull the 7.3L but we all know which one is more reliable even to this day........ :B

I think your confusing the Chrysler 68 transmission that doesn't have a drain plug and requires the oil pan to be removed... Yes a PITA.

The Ford Torque Shift requires a oil change every 150k miles. It has a drain plug on the oil pan and a fill port under the hood. Doesn't get easier than that my friend.

So how does the fluid in the torque converter get replaced?

NO doubt the Ford Torque Shift is one of their bright spots. Chris

blofgren wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:

IdaD wrote:
The timing on those tests would have merit if there wasn't traffic, or if they went full throttle all the way. But there is traffic, and they don't go full throttle. Given that, the times don't mean much of anything. With an equal load I would expect the Duramax to be the fastest followed by the Powerstroke and then the Cummins. In the real world they're all plenty fast and powerful, though - it literally wasn't something I even considered when I evaluated the three.

x2. Even with higher ratings the Ford just can't seem to outpull the GM. It's surprised me a couple of times.

My lowly G56 powered Cummins would be a couples of minutes behind everyone but it will keep doing it reliably for years to come with less heat and easy maintenance so I'm OK with that!

The GM and the Ford will perform this task reliably for years to come too, and the maintenance is much easier on those as well. :W

Looks at it this way the truck that can pull up a hill the fastest is typically the truck that can pull that load the easiest.

Towing Just Got Easier! :B

Changing engine oil, yes. Servicing the slush box auto compared to the G56 manual, a big NO!

In regards to the fastest truck pulling the load the easiest, that means absolutely nothing. The 6.0L (at least when running) would easily out pull the 7.3L but we all know which one is more reliable even to this day........ :B

I think your confusing the Chrysler 68 transmission that doesn't have a drain plug and requires the oil pan to be removed... Yes a PITA.

The Ford Torque Shift requires a oil change every 150k miles. It has a drain plug on the oil pan and a fill port under the hood. Doesn't get easier than that my friend.

Travlingman wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
I get the idea they are going to test all three trucks again. Both the Ford and GM should have just enough power to tow 23000 lbs up the hill at the 60 mph speed limit. With 3.73 gears the Ford would be running about 2600 rpm in 4th gear at 60 mph. The Chevy would only be turning about 2275 so maybe the Ford will have the advantage. If it ends up that both trucks drop to third gear the advantage will be in GM's favor.....
If the Ford can't manage 60 mph it might have to drop to third and rev to 3000 rpm where it's only able to do about 52 mph. If the Chevy drops to 3rd and revs to 3000 rpm it will be making 57 mph.
I'm going to guess 8 minutes 40 seconds for the winner.

2017 Ford F-350 diesel dually doesn't come with a 3.73 gear.

Nice. I like the idea of a 3.55 in the new dually. I don't actually know how but I totally screwed those numbers up. The Powerstroke with 3.55 gears will turn 2616 rpm in 4th gear at 60 mph and the Duramax shouldl be running 2365 rpm in 4th gear at 60 mph. So the Ford might make a little more HP at the speed limit. If the trucks drop down to 3rd gear and rev toward the red line the Duramax will travel about 56 mph @ 3100 rpm and the Ford at 3100 rpm would be going about 54 mph. (assuming they can rev to 3100 rpm... I don't know how fast the power drops off over 2800 rpm.) It really should be close.

These test are always entertaining to watch. I enjoy them. However in real life who cares if one is a few seconds faster than the other. When we buy a new truck this summer we'll drive all three and pick the one that feels the most comfortable. I don't really care if it has a few more or less power than the other.
I've worked with one of the diesel engine manufacturers for the last 24 years. The only people in the company who brag and worry about the HP wars don't drive trucks. The drive cars and live in town and never pull a thing.

FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:

IdaD wrote:
The timing on those tests would have merit if there wasn't traffic, or if they went full throttle all the way. But there is traffic, and they don't go full throttle. Given that, the times don't mean much of anything. With an equal load I would expect the Duramax to be the fastest followed by the Powerstroke and then the Cummins. In the real world they're all plenty fast and powerful, though - it literally wasn't something I even considered when I evaluated the three.

x2. Even with higher ratings the Ford just can't seem to outpull the GM. It's surprised me a couple of times.

My lowly G56 powered Cummins would be a couples of minutes behind everyone but it will keep doing it reliably for years to come with less heat and easy maintenance so I'm OK with that!

The GM and the Ford will perform this task reliably for years to come too, and the maintenance is much easier on those as well. :W

Looks at it this way the truck that can pull up a hill the fastest is typically the truck that can pull that load the easiest.

Towing Just Got Easier! :B

Changing engine oil, yes. Servicing the slush box auto compared to the G56 manual, a big NO!

In regards to the fastest truck pulling the load the easiest, that means absolutely nothing. The 6.0L (at least when running) would easily out pull the 7.3L but we all know which one is more reliable even to this day........ :B