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- Wow!
Amazing where this thread has gone.
Bottom line, if you like the new truck you will buy it, if you don't you won't.
This coming from a GM/Mopar guy:
Aside from the mechanicals of Ford, personally I think the designers at Ford have some of the best looking vehicles out there today. - Boy I'm certainly learning more about aluminium. That is the replacement material used on the new Boeing dream liner right :H
Bottom line is how this aluminium reacts in a crash and how much it's going to cost to fix a crash, or how fast it's totaled by the insurance companies. Should be interesting in the years ahead. rjsd1 wrote:
hone eagle wrote:
Does anybody know the alloy Ford is using ?
and no 'military grade 'is not a answer
anybody
how thick ?
anybody
rivets?
glue ?
welding?
anybody
all I read is bad bad idea
whats it going to cost to insure will tell a tale
6000-series aluminum alloy is what it says on the Ford website in the disclosures area. This does not mean anything to me but some of you might understand if that's good or bad.
This does not mean it is what Ford is using but this is what I found.
6111 aluminium and 2008 aluminum alloy are extensively used for external automotive body panels, with 5083 and 5754 used for inner body panels. Hoods have been manufactured from 2036, 6016, and 6111 alloys. Truck and trailer body panels have used 5456 aluminum.
LINKBenK wrote:
Buddies bought carbon fiber fishing rods vs the blanks I use to make my stuff...theirs about five times more than any fiberglass rod. I've made bamboo fly rods, so under stand about rod materials
Same buddies went to carbon windsurfer masts...another about five times my fiberglass mast....am still faster and on a +20 year old board to boot (sinker, inter island racer)
Truck frames CAN BE MADE OF ALU....but they would HUGE vs same rated steel
Reference carbon fiber bicycles as PLASTIC for the affect...OBTW that is also a correct
Monicker. As carbon fiber is just carbon fiber strands, spun into thread, then woven into cloth, then laminated into sheets using polyester epoxy, then baked under pressure
The same as fiberglass
Like while in buddies toy and bicycle shop...customer was there yelling at his service staff
He took a very expensive carbon fiber bike on the train commute to SF and it cracked
Told him not the shops fault, but his for taking a plastic bike on a commuter train
Where others lay their steel n ALU bikes on each other...that is where coined plastic
In reference to CB
Material science....like lead is better than iron for bullet slugs. Better yet would be depleted uranium, but there are down sides...like radiation
All materials can be used just about anywhere...it is in the plus/minus decision making
Don't want to nit pik but I have never seen a high modulus fibre in a polyester matrix ,its always a epoxy and always baked in a autoclave (I have seen 80' boat in a oven)
I have seen class 8 truck frames in al and they are no bigger then steel,just much thicker.hone eagle wrote:
Sailboat masts are 6061 T6 very very tough stuff.
Someone asked about repairs ,Ford has stated as of now no one is more then 30 min from a approved repair facility.
Training has begun on more.
???
I can take you to places where you are an hour from the nearest Ford dealer....
They must have a network of independent shops?Jarlaxle wrote:
hone eagle wrote:
Actally I was wrong, the bed is 100% al,but thick enough to be equal or better then steel.
Take it from someone who has had a al mast on a sailboat ,that material is very tough you couldn't dent it with a ball peen hammer - way way tougher then steel.
It is neither the same alloy or hardness as your typical beer can.
Drop a half cord of hardwood on it at -10 degrees...do that once a week for three months!
I imagine they know how to damage a bed more then 10,000 ways and know how steel performs - make it as good or better
easy no, necessary yes.- Sailboat masts are 6061 T6 very very tough stuff.
Someone asked about repairs ,Ford has stated as of now no one is more then 30 min from a approved repair facility.
Training has begun on more. hone eagle wrote:
Does anybody know the alloy Ford is using ?
and no 'military grade 'is not a answer
anybody
how thick ?
anybody
rivets?
glue ?
welding?
anybody
all I read is bad bad idea
whats it going to cost to insure will tell a tale
6000-series aluminum alloy is what it says on the Ford website in the disclosures area. This does not mean anything to me but some of you might understand if that's good or bad.- If your worried about it just don't buy one. I am sure there has been a lot of testing so I imagine they have a idea of how it's going to perform. And don't give me that they tested the 6.0 crap. Dodge and Chev have made their share of junk in the past also. I doubt in the long run there will be much difference in the insurance price. Will a 2015 cost more than a 2013- yep. But that's true with most all car's. The estimate I read said it would add $1,000 to the cost of the truck and that Ford would probably be eating some of that cost to keep the truck competitive.
hone eagle wrote:
Does anybody know the alloy Ford is using ?
and no 'military grade 'is not a answer
anybody
how thick ?
If I make it up to the DAS I will find out.
anybody
rivets?
didn't see any on the display at last years show
glue ?
Did see body panel adhesive
welding?
A whole lot of tig/mig welds
anybody
all I read is bad bad idea
Until the service industries get up to speed these trucks are going to be very very expensive to buy, insure and repair. The question becomes are there enough people welling to pay the premium to own a truck that already has a sticker price of over $45,000+. Only time will tell.
The part i liker is when Ford said 90% of their dealerships are up to speed. :R
whats it going to cost to insure will tell a tale
