The future cost of RV stay

Well, we have an aging fleet of power plants, so when folks say it’s on the edge, there’s great cause for concern for building new power plants with the last coal plant being built in southern Illinois.

Wind is a waste the way we are using it now as a lot of the energy east of the Mississippi coming off peak. T Boone Pickens had the right idea for transportation by using wind in the bread basket to make hydrogen. And we could move to a hydrogen transportation system much easier than batteries. But then the fracking revolution and that stopped development of a great idea. Solar has gotten better but it’s still less than 2%.

MikeRP wrote:

Reisender wrote:

MikeRP wrote:
Ok folks this battery craze is just that crazy. So let’s talk about getting the material to make the batteries. Look at the size of mining operations needed to find the metals we need now for these batteries. These pits are as big as iron ore mines If not bigger, look it up on Chile it China. Look at the mining equipment using diesel, damage to the environment like you’ve never seen before, processing the earth and then making it into a useable product for the batteries.

We will never have our transportation system fully on batteries with our present batteries. Plus charging these batteries is still 35 - 40 percent coal. I’m almost 100 percent sure it is adding to the carbon in the atmosphere. We continue to lie to ourselves about batteries unless there is a major breakthrough coming.

Enjoy your trucks we will be driving them a while and the campground s don’t need to do squat.


Peace

Thank god we don’t need to mine or drill or frak for “normal” cars. Curious. Which country do you live in that gets 35 to 40 percent of its power from coal. I know there are more than a few but most members on this forum are from North America which you are clearly not.

Just curious.

Well 27.5 % now, 63.6 % from fossil fuels together. 2018 numbers.

And dropping about 3 percent every year. Expected to be below 20 percent in 2020. Canada is at 8 percent coal and expected to be at zero by 2030.

MikeRP wrote:
The US does NOT have a third world grid. We are the most reliable system as a whole. There’s been huge investments in transmission. However, for that the big Utilities, and small ones too, are getting a guaranteed rate of return of around 12 percent. They are spending $$$$ like crazy before some on wises up. Everywhere you go there a new steel poles going up.

Unfortunately the same is not completely true for new generation and should concern all of us that the only new nuclear plants being built are being done by TVA (Watts Bar) entered service in 2016.

Nuclear is the best way by far to lower our CO2 output permanently.

Interesting. You are the first person I have seen mention that the US grid is not a complete catastrophe on the edge of total collapse at any moment. Pretty much everyone else on this board (and a few others) seem to think that even adding a few electric cars will put the whole country in the dark. Glad to hear it’s not so.

The US does NOT have a third world grid. We are the most reliable system as a whole. There’s been huge investments in transmission. However, for that the big Utilities, and small ones too, are getting a guaranteed rate of return of around 12 percent. They are spending $$$$ like crazy before some on wises up. Everywhere you go there a new steel poles going up.

Unfortunately the same is not completely true for new generation and should concern all of us that the only new nuclear plants being built are being done by TVA (Watts Bar) entered service in 2016.

Nuclear is the best way by far to lower our CO2 output permanently.

Reisender wrote:

MikeRP wrote:
Ok folks this battery craze is just that crazy. So let’s talk about getting the material to make the batteries. Look at the size of mining operations needed to find the metals we need now for these batteries. These pits are as big as iron ore mines If not bigger, look it up on Chile it China. Look at the mining equipment using diesel, damage to the environment like you’ve never seen before, processing the earth and then making it into a useable product for the batteries.

We will never have our transportation system fully on batteries with our present batteries. Plus charging these batteries is still 35 - 40 percent coal. I’m almost 100 percent sure it is adding to the carbon in the atmosphere. We continue to lie to ourselves about batteries unless there is a major breakthrough coming.

Enjoy your trucks we will be driving them a while and the campground s don’t need to do squat.


Peace

Thank god we don’t need to mine or drill or frak for “normal” cars. Curious. Which country do you live in that gets 35 to 40 percent of its power from coal. I know there are more than a few but most members on this forum are from North America which you are clearly not.

Just curious.

Well 27.5 % now, 63.6 % from fossil fuels together. 2018 numbers.

covered wagon wrote:
The power grids are already close to maximum use now. Can you imagine what will happen to your home electric bill should most folks be driving an electric rechargeable car and truck? Can you imagine the power demands and crowds with every exit having a hotel for sleeping while you recharge?

Yes yes. The US has a third world grid that can't handle another 20 percent capacity and can never be improved...ever. We have heard it all before on this board. But this is a US problem. The rest of the worlds utilities are not expecting any difficulty in modernizing and accommodating the extra load. I don't pretend to understand the geopolitical problems the US is having with grid modernization but at some point it may be worth hiring some one to come in and sort it out.

Oh. and for the 20 to 30 minutes it takes to charge a modern EV you can eat lunch or have a nap in your car.

The power grids are already close to maximum use now. Can you imagine what will happen to your home electric bill should most folks be driving an electric rechargable car and truck? Can you imagine the power demands and crowds with every exit having a hotel for sleeping while you recharge?

MikeRP wrote:
Ok folks this battery craze is just that crazy. So let’s talk about getting the material to make the batteries. Look at the size of mining operations needed to find the metals we need now for these batteries. These pits are as big as iron ore mines If not bigger, look it up on Chile it China. Look at the mining equipment using diesel, damage to the environment like you’ve never seen before, processing the earth and then making it into a useable product for the batteries.

We will never have our transportation system fully on batteries with our present batteries. Plus charging these batteries is still 35 - 40 percent coal. I’m almost 100 percent sure it is adding to the carbon in the atmosphere. We continue to lie to ourselves about batteries unless there is a major breakthrough coming.

Enjoy your trucks we will be driving them a while and the campground s don’t need to do squat.


Peace

Thank god we don’t need to mine or drill or frak for “normal” cars. Curious. Which country do you live in that gets 35 to 40 percent of its power from coal. I know there are more than a few but most members on this forum are from North America which you are clearly not.

Just curious.

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Ok folks this battery craze is just that crazy. So let’s talk about getting the material to make the batteries. Look at the size of mining operations needed to find the metals we need now for these batteries. These pits are as big as iron ore mines If not bigger, look it up on Chile it China. Look at the mining equipment using diesel, damage to the environment like you’ve never seen before, processing the earth and then making it into a useable product for the batteries.

We will never have our transportation system fully on batteries with our present batteries. Plus charging these batteries is still 35 - 40 percent coal. I’m almost 100 percent sure it is adding to the carbon in the atmosphere. We continue to lie to ourselves about batteries unless there is a major breakthrough coming.

Enjoy your trucks we will be driving them a while and the campground s don’t need to do squat.

Peace