Tire blow out trailer
My buddy just sent me these on the way to Va. From Ct. Trailer is under one year old.
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PawPaw_n_Gram wrote:
ReneeG wrote:
wmoses wrote:
ReneeG wrote:
Couple of things here. We had a blowout on our fifth wheel recently and we have a TPMS system. No warning and I had just looked at the screen, when boom!
Just a little bit of a tangent here since I am in the market for a TPMS - can you tell me what brand / model you have?
TST Systems.
Two things
1) A TPMS would not have warned of the incident in the OP photos. The tire still had pressure. A TPMS could actually increase damage because the driver might not think something was wrong with the noise or what he saw in the mirror because the TPMS showed regular pressure.
A TPMS would have shown the driver if the tire was being run at low pressure or high heat previously. As noted in several posts - the tire could have been damaged by those in the past, and be at normal pressure/ temps at the time the actual tread separation happened.
Running a tire at low pressure for several hours could start a problem which won't reach a failure point for a long time. And with no warning. That is why you need to check the tire, by feeling the tread area for bumps and bulges before you start towing.
2) A TPMS warns of a developing problem of pressure and/ or temperature. A road hazard tire failure - i.e. running over a piece of debris - can happen too fast for a TPMS to warn the driver.
If a tire has a blowout and loses pressure, the TPMS will alert, but it may be too late to prevent. If a tread separates - the TPMS will almost always not alert.
Does not matter which brand of TPMS.
Paw Paw n Gram, you're right, which is what I've learned since then.- With all due respect that is not a blow out it is tread separation.
The most common cause of this is under inflation resulting in heat buildup.
My guess is this tire was run at fairly high speeds for quite a distance seriously under-inflated.
The manufacturer of the tire is irrelevant all tires will do this.
However there does exist a SLIM possibility that there was a defect in the tire but that would have generally shown up very early in it's life not after one year or more of wear. dahkota wrote:
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Koolaid post of the week!CKNSLS wrote:
Another excellent point. Overspeeding damage is cumulative. So ANY time you spend over 65 mph is doing damage. That includes brief spurts when merging on the freeway, or when going down a hill, and it just creeps up on you.Lantley wrote:
CKNSLS wrote:
Me Again wrote:
CKNSLS wrote:
The trailer is not 1 year old and the tire may have been overloaded. Westlake now has the nylon cap like the Mx brand.
Tell me why the magic Nylon cap has not made the GY Marathon the top of the line of ST tires? We are talking about a major tire company that added the Nylon cap to the Marathon in the late 90's!
Maybe it is all about tire weight and the related construction. Look at the Mx brand weight compared to the other ST tires.
1. Michelin XPS RIB LT235/85R16 LRE (rated to 3042lbs) Weight 55.41
2. Goodyear G614 LT235/85R16 LRG (rated to 3750lbs) Weight 57.5
3. Bridgestone Duravis R250 LT235/85R16 LRE(rated to 3042lbs) Weight 60
4. BFG Commercial TA LT235/85R16 LRE(rated to 3042lbs) Weight 44.44
5. Uniroyal Laredo HD/H LT235/85R16 LRE(rated to 3042lbs) Weight 44.44
6. GY Marathon ST235/80R16 LRE(rated to 3420lbs) Weight 35.4
7. Maxxis ST235/80R16 LRD 3000 lb rating at 65 lbs of air weights 38.58
8. Maxxis ST235/80R16 LRE 3420 lb rating at 80 lbs of air weights 43.43
9. Duro 2100 ST235/80R16 LRE 3520 rating at 85 lbs of air weights 35.5
10. TowMax ST235/80R16 LRE 3420 lb rating at 80 of air weighs 35
Weight of tire does not translate in to reliability. A 3 inch nail will blow out any of the the tires listed above......
The post appears to make a valid correlation. The heavier the tire the more rugged and substantial it is. The heavier tires on the list seem to be the favorites of many posters.
A nail or road hazard can puncture any tire,however the tire problems most RV'ers encounter don't involve nails.
No not necessarily nails-but any road hazard can puncture any tire regardless of weight. Most tire blow outs complained of on this board are inconclusive as what caused the failure. Very, very few can pin point exact causes of said failures.
Excessive speed for one-
Nobody pulls over 65mph just 75% of those (towing) that pass me on the highways....
Another great reason to make the jump to LT tires and eliminate the 65 mph restriction from your rig.PawPaw_n_Gram wrote:
ReneeG wrote:
wmoses wrote:
ReneeG wrote:
Couple of things here. We had a blowout on our fifth wheel recently and we have a TPMS system. No warning and I had just looked at the screen, when boom!
Just a little bit of a tangent here since I am in the market for a TPMS - can you tell me what brand / model you have?
TST Systems.
Two things
1) A TPMS would not have warned of the incident in the OP photos. The tire still had pressure. A TPMS could actually increase damage because the driver might not think something was wrong with the noise or what he saw in the mirror because the TPMS showed regular pressure.
A TPMS would have shown the driver if the tire was being run at low pressure or high heat previously. As noted in several posts - the tire could have been damaged by those in the past, and be at normal pressure/ temps at the time the actual tread separation happened.
Running a tire at low pressure for several hours could start a problem which won't reach a failure point for a long time. And with no warning.An excellent point, BUT, the ST tire isn't required to do a low pressure test. So it will most likely not last very long at low pressure. The LT tires ARE required to pass a demanding low pressure test. One of the big differences between the two types of tires. That is why you need to check the tire, by feeling the tread area for bumps and bulges before you start towing.
2) A TPMS warns of a developing problem of pressure and/ or temperature. A road hazard tire failure - i.e. running over a piece of debris - can happen too fast for a TPMS to warn the driver.
If a tire has a blowout and loses pressure, the TPMS will alert, but it may be too late to prevent. If a tread separates - the TPMS will almost always not alert.
Does not matter which brand of TPMS.Lantley wrote:
CKNSLS wrote:
Me Again wrote:
CKNSLS wrote:
The trailer is not 1 year old and the tire may have been overloaded. Westlake now has the nylon cap like the Mx brand.
Tell me why the magic Nylon cap has not made the GY Marathon the top of the line of ST tires? We are talking about a major tire company that added the Nylon cap to the Marathon in the late 90's!
Maybe it is all about tire weight and the related construction. Look at the Mx brand weight compared to the other ST tires.
1. Michelin XPS RIB LT235/85R16 LRE (rated to 3042lbs) Weight 55.41
2. Goodyear G614 LT235/85R16 LRG (rated to 3750lbs) Weight 57.5
3. Bridgestone Duravis R250 LT235/85R16 LRE(rated to 3042lbs) Weight 60
4. BFG Commercial TA LT235/85R16 LRE(rated to 3042lbs) Weight 44.44
5. Uniroyal Laredo HD/H LT235/85R16 LRE(rated to 3042lbs) Weight 44.44
6. GY Marathon ST235/80R16 LRE(rated to 3420lbs) Weight 35.4
7. Maxxis ST235/80R16 LRD 3000 lb rating at 65 lbs of air weights 38.58
8. Maxxis ST235/80R16 LRE 3420 lb rating at 80 lbs of air weights 43.43
9. Duro 2100 ST235/80R16 LRE 3520 rating at 85 lbs of air weights 35.5
10. TowMax ST235/80R16 LRE 3420 lb rating at 80 of air weighs 35
Weight of tire does not translate in to reliability. A 3 inch nail will blow out any of the the tires listed above......
The post appears to make a valid correlation. The heavier the tire the more rugged and substantial it is. The heavier tires on the list seem to be the favorites of many posters.
A nail or road hazard can puncture any tire,however the tire problems most RV'ers encounter don't involve nails.
No not necessarily nails-but any road hazard can puncture any tire regardless of weight. Most tire blow outs complained of on this board are inconclusive as what caused the failure. Very, very few can pin point exact causes of said failures.
Excessive speed for one-
Nobody pulls over 65mph just 75% of those (towing) that pass me on the highways....CKNSLS wrote:
Me Again wrote:
CKNSLS wrote:
The trailer is not 1 year old and the tire may have been overloaded. Westlake now has the nylon cap like the Mx brand.
Tell me why the magic Nylon cap has not made the GY Marathon the top of the line of ST tires? We are talking about a major tire company that added the Nylon cap to the Marathon in the late 90's!
Maybe it is all about tire weight and the related construction. Look at the Mx brand weight compared to the other ST tires.
1. Michelin XPS RIB LT235/85R16 LRE (rated to 3042lbs) Weight 55.41
2. Goodyear G614 LT235/85R16 LRG (rated to 3750lbs) Weight 57.5
3. Bridgestone Duravis R250 LT235/85R16 LRE(rated to 3042lbs) Weight 60
4. BFG Commercial TA LT235/85R16 LRE(rated to 3042lbs) Weight 44.44
5. Uniroyal Laredo HD/H LT235/85R16 LRE(rated to 3042lbs) Weight 44.44
6. GY Marathon ST235/80R16 LRE(rated to 3420lbs) Weight 35.4
7. Maxxis ST235/80R16 LRD 3000 lb rating at 65 lbs of air weights 38.58
8. Maxxis ST235/80R16 LRE 3420 lb rating at 80 lbs of air weights 43.43
9. Duro 2100 ST235/80R16 LRE 3520 rating at 85 lbs of air weights 35.5
10. TowMax ST235/80R16 LRE 3420 lb rating at 80 of air weighs 35
Weight of tire does not translate in to reliability. A 3 inch nail will blow out any of the the tires listed above......
The post appears to make a valid correlation. The heavier the tire the more rugged and substantial it is. The heavier tires on the list seem to be the favorites of many posters.
A nail or road hazard can puncture any tire,however the tire problems most RV'ers encounter don't involve nails.rbpru wrote:
After six pages, all we know for sure is,
• The tire manufacturers still recommend STs for towables.
• You are free to substitute LTs if it makes you happy.
And it's the night before the night before Xmas............:B- After six pages, all we know for sure is,
• The tire manufacturers still recommend STs for towables.
• You are free to substitute LTs if it makes you happy.
