Titan Cummins Diesel option axed for 2020

Our on highway rep from Cummins told me the 5.0 automotive V8 engine was designed for Dodge 1500 series trucks and vans prior to the formation of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles.

ShinerBock wrote:
I think the XD is going to keep failing until Nissan finally stops telling truck buyers what they need and start giving them what they want. Nissan keeps saying that most "3/4 ton" HD truck buyers don't need that much capability or that much power. While this is true, but most HD truck buyers want the capability with full floating axles and the power of a big engine. This is why the big three are giving buyers both with bigger more powerful engines and and beefier truck components.

Then again, this is not the first time a foreign truck make tried to tell the US truck market what it needs and then went the way of the dodo or had to finally give buyers what they wanted with a major redesign before they had any meaningful sales numbers. It also doesn't help that this truck has a front end that only a mother could love.

Spot on.
Every time any manufacturer told the public what they "need" has failed miserably.

thomasmnile wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

ib516 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
SOOOOO, where will the Cummins land???

That's a good question.

This engine was initially designed for the medium duty cab-over and delivery truck market which it has had some success. I would even wager that Cummins has sold more ISV 5.0L in cab-overs/delivery trucks than they did in Titan XD's.

Was wondering what other applications it was built for. Poking around the internet didn't find anything outside of Cummins website and it mentioned pickups only...of which Nissan was the only customer.

Cummins may even have an uphill fight in the medium duty arena. I recall reading a fire apparatus manufacturer, was either Pierce or E ONE, is offering the Ford 6.7 L diesel in a custom pumper as an alternative to the Cummins engine options offered. Is the Ford engine less complex or less trouble prone from an emissions standpoint. Cost savings over a comparable displacement Cummins inline 6?

Not really. The last conference we had from Cummins executives showed a 75% market share in the medium duty market and shipped a record number of engines the first half of the year. This does not even include the engines they build for other manufacturers like the PACCAR PX engines which are re-branded Cummins ISB and ISL engines.

Cummins or its re-branded alternate is also the only diesel engine option in most medium duty school/shuttle bus, refuge, and van truck applications for almost all of the truck manufacturers. If you ever see one of these vehciles, there is a 9/10 chance that there is either a ISB or ISL under the hood.

The reason why Pierce moved to the PSD 6.7L might be due to packaging. It is a lot easier to fit a push rod V8 in a tight space than a tall and long I6 with a turbo. They are essentially the same width due to the turbo and intake on the Cummins, but the push rod V8 PSD is shorter in both length and height.

ShinerBock wrote:

ib516 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
SOOOOO, where will the Cummins land???

That's a good question.

This engine was initially designed for the medium duty cab-over and delivery truck market which it has had some success. I would even wager that Cummins has sold more ISV 5.0L in cab-overs/delivery trucks than they did in Titan XD's.

Was wondering what other applications it was built for. Poking around the internet didn't find anything outside of Cummins website and it mentioned pickups only...of which Nissan was the only customer.

Cummins may even have an uphill fight in the medium duty arena. I recall reading a fire apparatus manufacturer, was either Pierce or E ONE, is offering the Ford 6.7 L diesel in a custom pumper as an alternative to the Cummins engine options offered. Is the Ford engine less complex or less trouble prone from an emissions standpoint. Cost savings over a comparable displacement Cummins inline 6?

I was excited when this truck was announced. Then I saw the specs, and how **** fugly it was in person. Nissan screwed up with this build, and it had so much promise. My HDPP F150 has more payload and that's why I bought it.

Mike

ib516 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
SOOOOO, where will the Cummins land???

That's a good question.

This engine was initially designed for the medium duty cab-over and delivery truck market which it has had some success. I would even wager that Cummins has sold more ISV 5.0L in cab-overs/delivery trucks than they did in Titan XD's.

If it didn't have success it really doesn't matter maybe.

chevman

Cummins12V98 wrote:
SOOOOO, where will the Cummins land???

That's a good question.

SOOOOO, where will the Cummins land???

They tried for too narrow of a niche and it didn't offer the fuel economy of the baby diesels or the capability of the big 3 diesels. It was the answer to a question nobody asked.