To "delete" or not to "delete"

ShinerBock wrote:

6.6 Oilburner wrote:

The funny thing about this Data is that it can be manipulated to lead in most any direction the collector wishes.

So you are saying that you only believe data that coincides with what you want to be true and everything else is BS because you don't want to believe it even though they are facts?

6.6 Oilburner wrote:
I suppose the guys who work on these trucks day in and day out, and the guys who drive these trucks are also at some insanely increased risk of respiratory cancer?

Yes, however that is their choice to work in such an environment to where it is not other people's choice to live in such an environment where selfish pricks purposely make their trucks pollute the air more just because they are not willing to live with the regulations that come with owning a diesel. Here is a clue, if you are not willing to live with or abide by the regulations that come with owning a diesel then don't get one. You are starting to sound like a liberal that wants to make their own life choices, but does not want to live with and take responsibility for those choices.

6.6 Oilburner wrote:
I suppose the fact that Glider sales are completely thru the roof and at an all time high has nothing to do with problematic emissions systems?

False, glider kit sales are not "through the roof". They have increased slightly, but that is mainly due to the ignorance of those that think that these emission devices are downing trucks all over the place which is not true.

6.6 Oilburner wrote:
I suppose an additive being required that had (and still has) virtually no infrastructure for bulk delivery has had no impact on the market or environment?

Another false statement. The infrastructure for DEF is and has been here for a while. Most of your trucks stops have DEF at the pumps and/or DEF 2.5 gallon jugs. If the infrastructure wasn't there like you claim then how would these fleets in the remote locations of the oilfields of North Dakota or northern Alaska operate? Also, DEF is non toxic and made up of 67.5% water and 32.5% urea. Uera is an organic compound used in agriculture and the natural form of it is excreted in urine.

6.6 Oilburner wrote:
I guess the fact that owner operators are now deleting class 8 trucks and smaller because they have been there and done that and have more money wrapped up in emissions component related failures than the fines will be?

I live, eat, and breathe the class 7 and 8 industry and I can tell you right now that you do not know what you are talking about. It is almost like you are just sputtering out nonsense because you fear what you do not know.

6.6 Oilburner wrote:
The problem with all this Data you are asking for is that it doesn't exist because the EPA does not give one shred a $h!t the hardship it has imposed on the entire country as a whole. There is no bottomless bucket of taxpayer cash to create studies like the CDC can do.

And you know this for a fact because..........

6.6 Oilburner wrote:
I work with Contractors, Construction companys, Owner operators, Independent repair facilities, Dealers and large fleets on a daily basis. But I guess there constant tales of woe over emission system failures don't count as data.

As I said before, I eat, breathe, and sleep the class 7 and 8 truck market. I deal with LARGE fleets like Schlumberger, Landstar, Haliburton, Swift, Baker Hughes, Walmart, and so on. Each have fleets of hundreds if not thousands of trucks. It is funny that these companies and my technicians that repair their trucks are not saying the same thing that you are claiming. Yes, the emission systems had issues when they first came out just as anything else does. However, like everything else they also worked the issues and to where they are a non event now if properly maintained.

6.6 Oilburner wrote:
My opinion at this point is that.....

Basically everything you have stated up to this point has been your opinion since all you have to go on is hearsay and you don't even know how these components work so what is new?


Fact is that your ignorance about how these emission systems work leads you to fear them and hate them. You are also just saying what you are so you can feel better about deleting your truck. You are going to defend it to your dying breath just like those a-holes that defend illegal HID headlights in a halogen housing. You don't care about those around you nor want to take responsibility for your own actions. You made the choice to buy a diesel, not those around you, so you have to live the regulations that go with owning that diesel, not them. If you are incapable of doing so then you should not have bought a diesel. Other people should have to pay or be in any way impacted just because you want your cake and eat it too.

I myself am an avid hunter, fisherman, off roader, rancher, and person that genuinely enjoys the great outdoors. I would like my children, (someday) grandchildren, and so on to enjoy the great things like I have. The only way to do this is to be a good steward of this one and only planet that we got. Does that mean I am some tree hugging liberal that goes to the extreme? No, but it does mean that I will not purposely go out of my way to pollute the area around me by taking off a device that was made to reduce my emissions just because I am not grown up enough to take responsibility for my own choices. I also respect others around me, and think it is I who has to pay for my own choices in things like wanting to own a diesel, not them. They shouldn't have to have their chances of respiratory illness increased just because I am not mature and responsible enough to live with all the aspects of owning a diesel that I knew where their when I bought it. That is just me and the way I think, Apparently not all feel the same, and could care less about their actions affect those around them.

So let me get this straight?

People don't have a choice as to where they live.

Bulk lube Totes and and box trucks full of 2.5 gallon jugs are considered a bulk transfer method.

In Alaska, an additive that freezes at 11* Fahrenheit is working fantastic.

And because companies like swift and walmart who probably smash more trucks in a year than the average trucking company will own, clearly these systems are reliable?

Instead of carrying on this conversation, I'll summarize.

You think complex emissions equipment were sent down from the heavens to decrease cancer by .005% So anyone seeking to delete their truck to save on fuel and repair bills is a greedy monster.

I think I'll take the money saved on fuel and install a radon mitigation system in my basement to offset the cancer I'm directly giving someone.

You can remain on your high horse looking down at people weighing their options all you'd like. That doesn't change the fact that Deleting emissions components in many cases will add fuel mileage and years of reliable service to the life of your vehicle.