Tongue weight limits and wdh

valhalla360 wrote:

ktmrfs wrote:

WDH does NOT repeat NOT change the tongue weight. All it does is move weight from the truck rear axle to the truck front axle and trailer axles. If you look at the weights before and after of the axles the total will be the same. Therefore tongue weight hasn't changed.

Function of a WDH is NOT to take weight off the tongue, it is to move weight from the TV rear axle to the TV front axle and trailer axle.

Think of this experiment. you have a wheelbarrow loaded with stuff and you and the wheelbarrow are on a scale. You lift up on the handle does the overall weight change?? NO. the weight on the wheelbarrow front tire goes up, the weight on your feet goes up, the weight on the rear of the wheelbarrow feet goes down. Your arms are acting like the WD hitch.

Actually, yes, it does reduce the tongue weight. It's not the purpose as you indicate but it is a side effect.

Your wheelbarrow analogy is incorrect. Since your wrists are points of rotation, they do not have a similar effect to a WDH.

Go down to a CAT scale and weigh with and without the hitch connected. I'll put down $100 with 10-1 odds in your favor that the trailer axle weights increase when the WDH is connected.

Think of it this way. The bars are locked into the truck hitch (and frame). The bars push down on the trailer A-frame. Since the ball is a pivot point it can only push up. It can't apply a moment arm. The bar connection is behind ball by a couple feet. Since the ball can't resist the moment created by that 2ft lever arm...Some of that downward force must be carried by the trailer axles of the trailer would begin rotating down.

Agreed that the trailer axle weights go up, as does the TV front axle and the truck rear axle weight goes down. But the sum of the three axle weights stays the same That means the tongue weight hasn't changed. Now since many scale weights have a 25 or 50lb increment that may cause a slight difference but it is due to scale resolution.

If the tongue weight changes then that force needs to be accounted for in the force on the TV and trailer axles. If the tongue weight goes down, then the sum of the weight on the other axles must go up to account for it.

Now, if the tongue was nose down w/o wd and now level, there could be a slight decrease in tongue weight due to the trailer attitude which would show up in the weight calculations. But it is going to be minor.