Towing above 65

That's the problem with a ISP report that people who have never been to the area could not understand. It's a two hill/grade. They had just topped the first grade with about 1/4 mile on a downhill Hill grade to the much longer whitebird grade. There were a couple things left out of the report but it doesn't matter much now even though they're were decending down the first grade when it happened.

I could explain until my face turned blue and know one would understand because they have never been to this particular area famous for wrecks, especially in the winter as I couldn't possibly understand a wreck say in Florida. Never been there!

So 12 pages later it wasn't speed that caused the crash, it was the fact that the RV driver pulled back in front of the semi too soon, and the semi clipped the back bumper of the trailer, sending it off the road. The trailer didn't magically self destruct just because of speed alone, that's the point that I think spoon and I were making. He didn't crash because he was going too fast, he crashed because he couldn't go fast enough to get by the semi.

You could say that his desire to speed caused him to want to pass the semi, which turned out not to be a prudent decision. Had he been content to follow behind the semi at a slower speed he would likely be alive today. If that's your point jaycocreek, I completely get it.

Sad to say, it sounds like the semi didn't want to be behind the RV either, otherwise he would have slowed down to let him back in.

Tragic nonetheless and a good discussion!

Thank you for the report jc.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
CB has asked numerous times for the road and the date so we can look up the report. Please supply both so we can read the report ourselves.

Why don't you supply it?

Because I didn't remember the date. Try searching the internet on a cell phone.It is super irritating as are you being so pushy over something so trivial!

Have at it.

PRESS RELEASE -----------------------------

DATE: 7/15/13 TIME: 4:39 PM LOCATION: US95 milepost 223.5

ASSISTING AGENCIES: Idaho County Sheriff's Department - Grangeville Police Department

VEHICLE #1
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DRIVER Richard Barnes AGE 68
ADDRESS Meridian Idaho
INJURIES? - Fatal
HOSPITAL/LOCATION TAKEN: Noland-Blackmer Funeral Home
VEHICLE YEAR 2013 VEHICLE MAKE Ford VEHICLE MODEL Pickup
WRECKER Dales Towing
SEATBELTS/HELMET WORN? Yes



PASSENGER: Prudence Barnes AGE 67
ADDRESS Meridian Idaho
INJURIES? - Yes
HOSPITAL/LOCATION TAKEN ? St Joseph's Hospital Lewiston
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VEHICLE #2
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DRIVER Mark Pottberg AGE 56
ADDRESS Sanford Colorado
INJURIES? - No
HOSPITAL/LOCATION TAKEN ? N/A
VEHICLE YEAR 2001 VEHICLE MAKE Freightliner Semi with trailer
WRECKER Dales Towing
SEATBELTS/HELMET WORN? Yes

INCIDENT NARRATIVE: POTTERBERG WAS TRAVELING NORTHBOUND ON US 95 NEAR MILEPOST 223, IN IDAHO COUNTY, IN A SEMI TRUCK WITH A TRAILER, WHEN BARNES ATTEMPTED TO PASS. WHILE PASSING IN THE OPPOSING LANE, BARNES DROVE HIS TRUCK AND CAMP TRAILER BACK INTO THE NORTHBOUND LANE BEFORE CLEARING POTTERBERG'S VEHICLE. THE SEMI TRACTOR STRUCK BARNES' VEHICLE CAUSING BOTH VEHICLES TO LEAVE THE ROADWAY. BARNES' VEHICLE WENT DOWN AN EMBANKMENT EAST OF THE HIGHWAY AND CAME TO A REST ON ITS TOP. MR. BARNES SUCCUMBED TO HIS INJURIES AT THE SCENE. MRS. BARNES WAS TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL BY HELICOPTER. POTTERBERG WAS UNINJURED. THE CRASH REMAINS UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE IDAHO STATE POLICE. NOTIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
CB has asked numerous times for the road and the date so we can look up the report. Please supply both so we can read the report ourselves.

Why don't you supply it?

:B

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
CB has asked numerous times for the road and the date so we can look up the report. Please supply both so we can read the report ourselves.

Why don't you supply it?

:B

CB has asked numerous times for the road and the date so we can look up the report. Please supply both so we can read the report ourselves.

Why don't you supply it?

So it wasn't speed. It was someone deciding to pass without enough room to do so. Happens often. With that explanation the argument lack of speed was the cause.

jaycocreek wrote:
No no no. The pickup trailer was almost fully passed and pulled into his lane clipping the semi pictured with the travel trailer. Look at the picture. The semi hit the trailer. The guy was hauling xxx trying to make it before the other semi hit him. Didn't make it obviously.


Be safe!

That's one of the possibilities that I offered earlier. Speed had very little to do with it. At 50 or at 80, that is DRIVER ERROR that caused the crash.

Thanks, I will try my best to be safe. I hope you do too. After all, the entire reason for this forum and this hobby is to safely get to our location and enjoy our vacation.

So, the semi didn't back off and let the TT back in. What a shame.