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In other words before or after the the radiator?
Recently purchased an '04 GMC Envoy to tow our 4000 TT, has tow package but no cooler. On the Trailvoy forum, there didn't seem to be a consensus as to which way it should be. Since those using their Trailblazer or Envoy for towing was a minority, I'm thinking us RV'ers here would know best.
The climate you live in seems to be the reason for placing the cooler before or after?","body@stringLength":"708","rawBody":"Although I've been towing for years, and have always had a transmission cooler on every tow vehicle, I can't remember whether the fluid should come from the trans thru the cooler then to the rad and out back to the transmission, or vice versa?
In other words before or after the the radiator?
Recently purchased an '04 GMC Envoy to tow our 4000 TT, has tow package but no cooler. On the Trailvoy forum, there didn't seem to be a consensus as to which way it should be. Since those using their Trailblazer or Envoy for towing was a minority, I'm thinking us RV'ers here would know best.
BenK wrote: Another of these never ending opinions...
But my opinion has 19 years of automatic transmission engineering data collection backing it. The last three years I was responsible for transmission cooling.
BenK wrote: Most all OEM setups has the ATF go to the external aux first, then into the main radiator
I studied almost every automatic cooling setup that was available. We bought many, many competitive cars and trucks for the engineers to examine and see what all the other automakers were doing. I NEVER found one that had the aux cooler before the radiator. Not a single one.
BenK wrote: ATF needs to operate in a range...can be too cold or too hot (worse)
That's true.
BenK wrote: It needs to see a min temp in order to get rid of over nite condensation, so has to see the main radiator coolant temps before going back to the tranny
I know that is what many people believe, but it isn't true. I tested this in temperatures as low as -40. The radiator NEVER warms the ATF. Ever. In any conditions that I could find. It isn't even close.
I measured temperatures in the ATF line into and out of the radiator. I measured coolant temperature inside the radiator, near the transmission cooler. I measured coolant temperature into and out of the radiator. There were usually 100 thermocouples on the vehicle when I ran one of my tests.
In hot temperatures you could ALMOST make a case that the radiator would warm the ATF. Not quite, but the temperatures of the coolant and ATF were closer than they were cold.
When the ambient temperature gets well below 0, such as -20F to -40F, the coolant in the radiator on the cold side (where the coolant has already passed through the radiator) stays within about 10F of ambient temperature. It is NOT at engine temperature. It isn't even close to getting into positive number temperatures. This is once the engine is warmed to operating temperatures and the engine thermostat is cycling open and shut. It will not stay open because once the thermostat opens the engine takes a big gulp of coolant from the radiator. That coolant is anywhere from -40F to -10F. That cools the engine down below the thermostat close temperature in a very short time. Then the thermostat closes and the coolant stays relatively still in the radiator. The cold ambient air is still passing through the radiator, and the coolant has plenty of time to get back down near ambient temperature before the thermostat opens again for a few seconds and the cycle repeats. I was able to measure this on many different vehicles. The actual numbers varied a bit, but the pattern held on everything I tested.
Since the coolant around the transmission cooler stays below 0F, it does not warm the ATF before it heads back to the transmission.
In later model transmissions there is a transmission thermostat. Ford started phasing these in during the 90's. They bypass the transmission cooling system until the transmission warms up, usually to around 165-180F.
BenK wrote: I always plumb my external ATF aux radiators BEFORE the main radiator
As explained above that won't help warm the trans at all, but it will reduce your cooling efficiency. The system is more efficient at cooling the transmission if the hottest ATF goes to the radiator cooler first, then to the aux cooler. That is why all OEMs do it that way.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-12-31T05:39:11.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-12-31T05:39:11.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":176},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2038253/message:2038264","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:362418":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:362418","uid":362418,"login":"WTP-GC","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2015-12-22T10:37:47.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:362418"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2038263":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2038263","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2038263":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:362418"},"id":"message:2038263","revisionNum":1,"uid":2038263,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2038253"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2038253"},"subject":"Re: Trans cooler fliud route","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2038263"},"body":"Before or after, doesn't matter these days. Ford tells you to put it after the radiator, but the the instructions I've seen from the aftermarket coolers instruct you to install before the radiator. I personally prefer installing them before the radiator.
And I've read this opinion before on numerous occasions regarding making sure the tranny doesn't run too cold. IMO, this is foolish to be concerned with. I can assure you that there's a nary a first hand account to be found where someone's tranny failed due to being too cool.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-12-29T17:38:24.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-12-29T17:38:24.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":176},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2038253/message:2038263","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:41":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:41","position":33,"name":"Explorer II","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:156485":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:156485","uid":156485,"login":"LarryJM","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-11-09T14:59:33.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:156485"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2038262":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2038262","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2038262":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:156485"},"id":"message:2038262","revisionNum":1,"uid":2038262,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2038253"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2038253"},"subject":"Re: Trans cooler fliud route","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2038262"},"body":"
LVJJJ wrote: Although I've been towing for years, and have always had a transmission cooler on every tow vehicle, I can't remember whether the fluid should come from the trans thru the cooler then to the rad and out back to the transmission, or vice versa?
In other words before or after the the radiator?
Recently purchased an '04 GMC Envoy to tow our 4000 TT, has tow package but no cooler. On the Trailvoy forum, there didn't seem to be a consensus as to which way it should be. Since those using their Trailblazer or Envoy for towing was a minority, I'm thinking us RV'ers here would know best.
The climate you live in seems to be the reason for placing the cooler before or after?
IMO the typical OTA aux or OEM cooler should be plumbed AFTER the OTO (i.e. radiator type) cooler. This is because the OTO is much more efficient in removing heat from the transmission fluid but will never have a cooling fluid (i.e. antifreeze) cooler than the air used for the cooling temp in the OTA cooler. Thus you remove as much heat as possible with the more efficient OTO cooler and then try and cool it as close to ambient air temps with the OTA cooler. AFAIK this sequence is used in FORD vehicles and I would be somewhat surprised if other OEMs didn't use the same sequence in their transmission cooling systems.
Finally, I think factors such as the increased cooling at speed from the OTA coolers and such things as the cooler differential temps and heat transfer factors also play into why one cooler should generally be before the other, but that is way above my paygrade or desire to really fully understand.
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20 years ago when I was 45 I would have staked out a position and defended it with my life. :)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-12-29T16:37:28.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-12-29T16:37:28.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":176},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2038253/message:2038261","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:88063":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:88063","uid":88063,"login":"Turtle_n_Peeps","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2008-06-23T22:06:22.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:88063"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2038260":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2038260","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2038260":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:88063"},"id":"message:2038260","revisionNum":1,"uid":2038260,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2038253"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2038253"},"subject":"Re: Trans cooler fliud route","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2038260"},"body":"For modern tranny's it doesn't matter much because as far as I know they all have stats on them and that is what will control the temp.
I the old dinosaur days with glides and 400's and C6's or whatever I always ran the air to air after the radiator for maximum cooling. With non lock up TC's I never worried about getting too cold. That was the least of my worries. :W","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-12-29T16:33:45.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-12-29T16:33:45.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":176},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2038253/message:2038260","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2038259":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2038259","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2038259":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:283"},"id":"message:2038259","revisionNum":1,"uid":2038259,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2038253"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2038253"},"subject":"Re: Trans cooler fliud route","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2038259"},"body":"Last two trucks I owned-Fords- had the auxillary cooler after the radiator since air temperature is lower then coolant temperature. This provides maximum cooling. For oil temperature control there is a thermostat inside the transmission to control the oil flow to the coolers in cold conditions. Can't remember how my GM's were plumbed, been too far back in time. I do remember that at least one had an auxillary cooler- 454 engine W/automatic.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-12-29T14:45:45.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-12-29T14:45:45.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":177},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2038253/message:2038259","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:2086":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:2086","uid":2086,"login":"rhagfo","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-07-06T09:49:57.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:2086"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2038258":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2038258","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2038258":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2086"},"id":"message:2038258","revisionNum":1,"uid":2038258,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2038253"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2038253"},"subject":"Re: Trans cooler fliud route","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2038258"},"body":"
BenK wrote: Another of these never ending opinions...
Most all OEM setups has the ATF go to the external aux first, then into the main radiator
ATF needs to operate in a range...can be too cold or too hot (worse)
It needs to see a min temp in order to get rid of over nite condensation, so has to see the main radiator coolant temps before going back to the tranny
Almost semantics...whether before or after the main radiator in 'most' conditions...but in very cold areas...it may not get warm enough to vaporized that moisture....which has a high change of turning acidic to rot out parts of the tranny innards
I always plumb my external ATF aux radiators BEFORE the main radiator
X2 Aux needs to be before the unit in the radiator for the reason above.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-12-29T09:45:37.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-12-29T09:45:37.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":176},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2038253/message:2038258","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:237915":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:237915","uid":237915,"login":"BenK","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2002-04-18T11:36:55.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:237915"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2038257":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2038257","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2038257":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:237915"},"id":"message:2038257","revisionNum":1,"uid":2038257,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2038253"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2038253"},"subject":"Re: Trans cooler fliud route","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2038257"},"body":"Another of these never ending opinions...
Most all OEM setups has the ATF go to the external aux first, then into the main radiator
ATF needs to operate in a range...can be too cold or too hot (worse)
It needs to see a min temp in order to get rid of over nite condensation, so has to see the main radiator coolant temps before going back to the tranny
Almost semantics...whether before or after the main radiator in 'most' conditions...but in very cold areas...it may not get warm enough to vaporized that moisture....which has a high change of turning acidic to rot out parts of the tranny innards
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