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labren
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Jan 18, 2015

Truck size with Keystone Sprinter 5th

Ultimately, I will need to make the choice, but here is the question?

Looking at a Keystone Sprinter 5th wheel 8510 shipping weight and 32'7" exterior length. Hitch weight 1565 lbs
I am coming out of a 1/2 ton with 1320 payload and a 25 ft crossroads TT. The 1 Ton Diesel seems enormous for what I am going to pull with it. This vehicle I want to use it as our main vehicle around town when we are not camping....as we do with our 1/2 ton. So the dilemma, becomes 3/4 ton or 1 ton, and I know about the luxury tax in Canada on the 3/4 ton, which the 1 ton's are exempt from. Apparently both trucks are the same height off the ground so the 3/4 is no smaller of vehicle. We camp about 14 weeks per year. The weight of the 5th is a little heavier than the legal, that can be dropped on our Tundra, so we do need to switch trucks. My feeling is for how much we use it and how light the 5th is, that Diesel is probably not necessary, but I would like your comments on the 3/4 ton verses the 1 Ton.......but also please feel free to include your thought in this application in regards to diesel or gas being used! That would be a great help. Thank you.

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  • camp-n-family wrote:

    Any of the 3/4 tons, gas or diesel, will work fine. If you're in the mountains or high elevations a lot then you would benefit more from the diesel. One ton is not necessary but you might find the price difference to be minimal and then you wouldn't have to worry how much you pack in the 5er or need to upgrade down the road if you decide to upsize the fiver.


    I just wondered if your truck is a diesel or gas?


    Mine is the 5.7l Hemi. Diesel was overkill for my needs and not great for daily city driving. An extra $8k as well. I wanted the new 6.4l Hemi which has more power, better mpg due to the cylinder deactivation, and for some reason 800lbs more payload than mine, but they are few and far between unless factory ordered.

    Found mine slightly used so the savings was worth it. The power should be plenty for my 8k tt. Came from a Tundra with the same power, no issues.
  • goducks10 wrote:
    Any of the 3/4 ton gassers would do the job. No need for a 1 ton diesel. The diesel in a 3/4 ton will lower the payload capacity dramatically. You'll probably be around 10,000lbs loaded and 2000lbs on the pin. Perfect for 3/4 ton gassers.



    This!
  • camp-n-family wrote:
    Any of the 3/4 tons, gas or diesel, will work fine. If you're in the mountains or high elevations a lot then you would benefit more from the diesel. One ton is not necessary but you might find the price difference to be minimal and then you wouldn't have to worry how much you pack in the 5er or need to upgrade down the road if you decide to upsize the fiver.


    I just wondered if your truck is a diesel or gas?

    Thanks
    labren
  • goducks10 wrote:
    Any of the 3/4 ton gassers would do the job. No need for a 1 ton diesel. The diesel in a 3/4 ton will lower the payload capacity dramatically. You'll probably be around 10,000lbs loaded and 2000lbs on the pin. Perfect for 3/4 ton gassers.


    Good advice here, and yes, if you decide on diesel, be sure to get the 1-ton.

    Jerry
  • Thanks a lot everyone, this information really helps......much appreciated!
  • I like my Ram 2500 with the 6.4L Hemi. It has rear coil springs instead of leafs, so it rides better than the competition when empty. The specs for mine are below (in my sig). If you get the 3.73 axle, you lose 3000# tow rating (15,000+ to 12,000+), but will gain some mpg.
  • Any of the 3/4 ton gassers would do the job. No need for a 1 ton diesel. The diesel in a 3/4 ton will lower the payload capacity dramatically. You'll probably be around 10,000lbs loaded and 2000lbs on the pin. Perfect for 3/4 ton gassers.
  • I recommend a truck with at least 1000 pounds more payload than the dry pin weight, maybe 1500 pounds more. The dry weight will go up by 500 pounds. The receiver in the truck bed is 200 pounds. You, any other people in the cab, and cargo around the receiver in the bed also count against payload. 3/4 ton crew cab 4WD diesels have 2000-2500 pounds of payload, gassers more like 3000. So I'd say SRW 3500 gas or diesel should meet your needs. Just check the tire and loading sticker for as equipped payload as you test drive trucks. Anything over 3000 pounds should meet all your other towing needs.
  • You can get a Max tow Ecoboost F-150 with a 2,500 pound cargo rating! You have to look for a XLT with the Ecoboost, 3.73:1 rear axle ratio, max tow package, and 7,800 pound GVWR.

    You can also get the 6.2L gas Ford F-350 that is going to have a 3,500 pound to 4,000 pound cargo rating, and towing well into the 12,000 - 15,000 pound range, even without a special towing package.

    If there is a tax on a 3/4 ton, I would be avoiding them to avoid that tax. Why pay a 4% or whatever tax on a $40,000 truck if you can avoid it by buying a $865 more expensive 1 ton single rear wheel truck?

    First read the towing guide!

    http://www.fleet.ford.com/towing-guides/

    Select the year that you want to look up, and then figure out what it can tow. Remember however that the 'maximum' you can tow is the empty truck with only a 154 pound driver inside. You would need to reduce the capacity by say 300 pounds if you have additional passengers, normal camping stuff inside the truck. Also say the empty weight of the trailer is 8,800 pounds and you have a 60 gallon water tank (500 pounds) food, camping gear, cookware, clothing, bedding, ect. will add another 800 pounds to the RV. 10,000 pounds - at least, give or take 500 more pounds.

    Hitch weight would normally go up to 1,500 - 1,650 pounds.

    Your fifth wheel hitch will come in a crate that is about 150 pounds. .

    So your 2,200 pound cargo rating of a F-150 will quickly get used up with 1,650 pounds of hitch weight, 150 pound hitch, and 300 pounds of passengers. The 2015 trucks will be around 700 pounds less curb weight than a 2014 pickup. And I was looking at the fuel use on a 3.5L 2014 Ecoboost and 2015 2.7L ecoboost. The 2014 has a $2,300 expected fuel cost each year, while the 2.7L will be $400 less per year!

    I agree, the Toy is not up to the task of a fifth wheel. . .

    Good luck with your purchase.

    Fred.
  • Any of the 3/4 tons, gas or diesel, will work fine. If you're in the mountains or high elevations a lot then you would benefit more from the diesel. One ton is not necessary but you might find the price difference to be minimal and then you wouldn't have to worry how much you pack in the 5er or need to upgrade down the road if you decide to upsize the fiver.