Tuner like “5 Star Tune “

ls1mike wrote:

Rwake901 wrote:

ls1mike wrote:
I have a 2017 6.0 3500HD, so basically your truck. I tried Diablew, he deals with the Diablo tuner. He can do a custom tune for you. You do some data logging and he adjust the truck based off it's specific parameters. It really woke my truck up, firmed up the shifts, removed some torque management and yes a tune like this or a dyno tune will add HP and torque. I am a fan of the Dyno tune 11 sec WS6 and a 12 second 14 Caprice they are dyno tuned, but the Diablew tune worked similar to a dyno tune and I am really happy with it.

The 6.0/6L90E tune from the factory is poo, it is really mild. I tend to believe his claims of 20 to 40 RWHP depending on the tune you get. It certainly holds the gears differently and makes use of all the power.

DiabLew

This sounds like what I’m looking for but I also need to consider that the drive train is under warranty for 3 more years and I don’t want to do anything to void that. Can this tune be added and removed easily so as not to void the warranty?

You can go back to stock easily.

Make sure it doesn’t leave a trace on the ECM, on the diesel trucks they can tell if the truck has had a tune down loaded into the ECM even if removed and reprogrammed to stock.

Stacey

Rwake901 wrote:

ls1mike wrote:
I have a 2017 6.0 3500HD, so basically your truck. I tried Diablew, he deals with the Diablo tuner. He can do a custom tune for you. You do some data logging and he adjust the truck based off it's specific parameters. It really woke my truck up, firmed up the shifts, removed some torque management and yes a tune like this or a dyno tune will add HP and torque. I am a fan of the Dyno tune 11 sec WS6 and a 12 second 14 Caprice they are dyno tuned, but the Diablew tune worked similar to a dyno tune and I am really happy with it.

The 6.0/6L90E tune from the factory is poo, it is really mild. I tend to believe his claims of 20 to 40 RWHP depending on the tune you get. It certainly holds the gears differently and makes use of all the power.

DiabLew

This sounds like what I’m looking for but I also need to consider that the drive train is under warranty for 3 more years and I don’t want to do anything to void that. Can this tune be added and removed easily so as not to void the warranty?

You can go back to stock easily.

ShinerBock wrote:

dodge guy wrote:

ls1mike wrote:
I have a 2017 6.0 3500HD, so basically your truck. I tried Diablew, he deals with the Diablo tuner. He can do a custom tune for you. You do some data logging and he adjust the truck based off it's specific parameters. It really woke my truck up, firmed up the shifts, removed some torque management and yes a tune like this or a dyno tune will add HP and torque. I am a fan of the Dyno tune 11 sec WS6 and a 12 second 14 Caprice they are dyno tuned, but the Diablew tune worked similar to a dyno tune and I am really happy with it.

The 6.0/6L90E tune from the factory is poo, it is really mild. I tend to believe his claims of 20 to 40 RWHP depending on the tune you get. It certainly holds the gears differently and makes use of all the power.

DiabLew

Yes a lot of people have no idea what is left on the table during factory programming to make the bean counters happy. Like I said earlier, it’s not about the HP and TQ it about the TQ mgt/reduced throttle lag and much improved shift strategy.
My old V-10 Excursion had he 4R100 and it sucked when towing even with the 4.30 gears. Once I tuned it from 5 star it woke it up to the point it no longer acted like it didn’t know how to shift. It knew which gear it wanted and when. It was one of the best things I did to the X.

It has more to do with keeping the EPA happy rather than the corporate bean counters. Things like throttle lag, shift strategy, and cam/timing profile are done to meet emissions and CAFE requirements. A tuner removes these barriers and is no different than removing the emissions barriers on a diesel. Tuning a gaser will increase its emissions just like it does on a diesel(if that is a concern) except for the fact that the added emissions are seen on a diesel and not on a gaser.

Most N/A gasers will only pick up slight 5-15 hp gains on regular octane and will probably pick up 20-30 hp on higher octanes since you can advance the timing even more. In comparison, a turbocharged engine can pick up 30-50 hp on a regular octane and 60-90 hp on premium fuel tunes. Diesel's range from 50-200 hp increases on tune-only mods especially if the emissions equipment is removed.

If you want to see big gains in a gasser, a better cam and headers would likely give some good gains with a tune.

I agree completely. On my current 2012 class A it is drive by wire. I could watch the throttle input and throttle opening on my gauges (dash command). throttle input would be 100% and actual throttle opening was 70%. now with the tune Im getting 85% throttle opening (they wont open it fully, because the potential is there for the throttle blade to stick open, and they say there is no increase in power beyond the 85% throttle opening. believe me, the difference is noticeable. I could control the throttle on my 02 because it was cable operated. while the tune only gave me approx. 10 more HP, Iwas after the improved shift strategy.

dodge guy wrote:

ls1mike wrote:
I have a 2017 6.0 3500HD, so basically your truck. I tried Diablew, he deals with the Diablo tuner. He can do a custom tune for you. You do some data logging and he adjust the truck based off it's specific parameters. It really woke my truck up, firmed up the shifts, removed some torque management and yes a tune like this or a dyno tune will add HP and torque. I am a fan of the Dyno tune 11 sec WS6 and a 12 second 14 Caprice they are dyno tuned, but the Diablew tune worked similar to a dyno tune and I am really happy with it.

The 6.0/6L90E tune from the factory is poo, it is really mild. I tend to believe his claims of 20 to 40 RWHP depending on the tune you get. It certainly holds the gears differently and makes use of all the power.

DiabLew

Yes a lot of people have no idea what is left on the table during factory programming to make the bean counters happy. Like I said earlier, it’s not about the HP and TQ it about the TQ mgt/reduced throttle lag and much improved shift strategy.
My old V-10 Excursion had he 4R100 and it sucked when towing even with the 4.30 gears. Once I tuned it from 5 star it woke it up to the point it no longer acted like it didn’t know how to shift. It knew which gear it wanted and when. It was one of the best things I did to the X.

It has more to do with keeping the EPA happy rather than the corporate bean counters. Things like throttle lag, shift strategy, and cam/timing profile are done to meet emissions and CAFE requirements. A tuner removes these barriers and is no different than removing the emissions barriers on a diesel. Tuning a gaser will increase its emissions just like it does on a diesel(if that is a concern) except for the fact that the added emissions are seen on a diesel and not on a gaser.

Most N/A gasers will only pick up slight 5-15 hp gains on regular octane and will probably pick up 20-30 hp on higher octanes since you can advance the timing even more. In comparison, a turbocharged engine can pick up 30-50 hp on a regular octane and 60-90 hp on premium fuel tunes. Diesel's range from 50-200 hp increases on tune-only mods especially if the emissions equipment is removed.

If you want to see big gains in a gasser, a better cam and headers would likely give some good gains with a tune.

I've had various tuners in the past and to really feel anything you had to run the high octane tune....due to timing advance.
All other options like tow and economy only changed shift points.

If you choose to tow with the performance tune " I did ", keep an eye on temps.

On the Ford site, many members speak highly of 4-star.

My 2021 7.3 does an admirable job towing and is under warranty so leaving it stock.

mkirsch wrote:

Devo the dog wrote:

mkirsch wrote:
Tuners won't do anything for engine output on a normally aspirated gas engine. That's already been maximized by the manufacturer.

All tuners do is give your subconscious a lead foot so you stomp on the pedal harder, say, "YEAH! I HAAAAAAVE THE POWERRRRRR!" to yourself, then find out three days later that nothing really changed and there's a hole in your wallet where several hundred dollars used to be.

Not true for regular vehicles.

Performance can be measured and the tunes increase HP and torque.

You get marginal increases at WIDE OPEN THROTTLE.

How often do you drive at WOT? Unless you're drag racing, almost never.

LOL. Some people just want to believe what they want to believe. No big deal. I've known others that don't understand 1+1=2.

Devo the dog wrote:

mkirsch wrote:
Tuners won't do anything for engine output on a normally aspirated gas engine. That's already been maximized by the manufacturer.

All tuners do is give your subconscious a lead foot so you stomp on the pedal harder, say, "YEAH! I HAAAAAAVE THE POWERRRRRR!" to yourself, then find out three days later that nothing really changed and there's a hole in your wallet where several hundred dollars used to be.

Not true for regular vehicles.

Performance can be measured and the tunes increase HP and torque.

You get marginal increases at WIDE OPEN THROTTLE.

How often do you drive at WOT? Unless you're drag racing, almost never.

ls1mike wrote:
I have a 2017 6.0 3500HD, so basically your truck. I tried Diablew, he deals with the Diablo tuner. He can do a custom tune for you. You do some data logging and he adjust the truck based off it's specific parameters. It really woke my truck up, firmed up the shifts, removed some torque management and yes a tune like this or a dyno tune will add HP and torque. I am a fan of the Dyno tune 11 sec WS6 and a 12 second 14 Caprice they are dyno tuned, but the Diablew tune worked similar to a dyno tune and I am really happy with it.

The 6.0/6L90E tune from the factory is poo, it is really mild. I tend to believe his claims of 20 to 40 RWHP depending on the tune you get. It certainly holds the gears differently and makes use of all the power.

DiabLew

This sounds like what I’m looking for but I also need to consider that the drive train is under warranty for 3 more years and I don’t want to do anything to void that. Can this tune be added and removed easily so as not to void the warranty?

wowens79 wrote:
My 6.0 only has the 4 spd trans, but I've found it will hold speed better at 68-70, than in the low 60s. It seems those few extra rpms bump it up where it is not as likely to downshift on those little rises.
Also if the terrain is kinda rolling and it is downshifting, I drop it to 3rd gear and it spins about 3000rpm, and does well. Actually I don't notice a difference in MPGs towing in 3rd vs 4th, it sucks it all down either way :)

I had this happen with our last motorhome. If I drove 62 or 63 mph it would shift on any little rise in the road. If I drove 65 / 66 mph it would shift a lot less. I have tried that with this truck but it doesn’t seem to make a difference.

ls1mike wrote:
I have a 2017 6.0 3500HD, so basically your truck. I tried Diablew, he deals with the Diablo tuner. He can do a custom tune for you. You do some data logging and he adjust the truck based off it's specific parameters. It really woke my truck up, firmed up the shifts, removed some torque management and yes a tune like this or a dyno tune will add HP and torque. I am a fan of the Dyno tune 11 sec WS6 and a 12 second 14 Caprice they are dyno tuned, but the Diablew tune worked similar to a dyno tune and I am really happy with it.

The 6.0/6L90E tune from the factory is poo, it is really mild. I tend to believe his claims of 20 to 40 RWHP depending on the tune you get. It certainly holds the gears differently and makes use of all the power.

DiabLew

Yes a lot of people have no idea what is left on the table during factory programming to make the bean counters happy. Like I said earlier, it’s not about the HP and TQ it about the TQ mgt/reduced throttle lag and much improved shift strategy.
My old V-10 Excursion had he 4R100 and it sucked when towing even with the 4.30 gears. Once I tuned it from 5 star it woke it up to the point it no longer acted like it didn’t know how to shift. It knew which gear it wanted and when. It was one of the best things I did to the X.