Weighed in this weekend

mkirsch wrote:

ticki2 wrote:

Butch50 wrote:


In the past the Fords were always the heaviest of the 3 or at least that has been my observation after owning all 3 brands over the years and friends weighing their rigs also. They keep raising the GVWR but they don't tell us that they raise the weight of the truck also. So you think by buying a new truck that you have increased the payload but come to find out it hardly made much difference. This happened to me when the 1999 Super Duty first came out. I bought a new dually because they raised the GVWR but when I weighed it I found out I had almost the same payload as my older truck.

I am really surprised this hasn't been mentioned more often , it's been going on for a long time . Another way to dupe the public .

???

I've never seen any truck manufacturer ADVERTISE their GVWR. I've always seen raw payload numbers, "up to XXXXlbs, when properly equipped."

Wow, You must have not looked at very many trucks

Here is the one from my 2013 Ram I just took and if you notice it shows a GVWR of 14000#.



I have had this tag on every door of every truck I have bought since my new 1972 truck and there have been many, many trucks over those years.

Take a look at Fords towing specs on Page 4 is advertised GVWR

Take a look at GM guide

Take a look at Ram Page 3 of their brochure

ticki2 wrote:

Butch50 wrote:


In the past the Fords were always the heaviest of the 3 or at least that has been my observation after owning all 3 brands over the years and friends weighing their rigs also. They keep raising the GVWR but they don't tell us that they raise the weight of the truck also. So you think by buying a new truck that you have increased the payload but come to find out it hardly made much difference. This happened to me when the 1999 Super Duty first came out. I bought a new dually because they raised the GVWR but when I weighed it I found out I had almost the same payload as my older truck.

I am really surprised this hasn't been mentioned more often , it's been going on for a long time . Another way to dupe the public .

???

I've never seen any truck manufacturer ADVERTISE their GVWR. I've always seen raw payload numbers, "up to XXXXlbs, when properly equipped."

We have a Lance 881 on a 2006 Chevy 2500 HD 4x4 cc sb srw with airbags. We've never weighted the unit before , note that we've been hauling this combo since 06 with no complaints from the truck . After all the talk of toooo much weight on the trucks , on this forum, we took the time to weight our unit. We're over the expected weight by a LOT......but we're rolling along none the less . At present we have 184000 miles on the truck . I thought that the brakes would be worn but my dismay they still had half of their pad still intact. Maybe you guys who are having problems with weight factors should just go out an purchase a REAL TRUCK for a change .

Butch50 wrote:


In the past the Fords were always the heaviest of the 3 or at least that has been my observation after owning all 3 brands over the years and friends weighing their rigs also. They keep raising the GVWR but they don't tell us that they raise the weight of the truck also. So you think by buying a new truck that you have increased the payload but come to find out it hardly made much difference. This happened to me when the 1999 Super Duty first came out. I bought a new dually because they raised the GVWR but when I weighed it I found out I had almost the same payload as my older truck.

I am really surprised this hasn't been mentioned more often , it's been going on for a long time . Another way to dupe the public .

sky free ,
thank you for taking the time to do this . I think you did a good job doing the weights , I think you broke it down well regardless of the actual weight of the truck.

I wish more new buyers would read a post like yours where a real weight was taken and with what EQ., people, dogs etc . before they choose a camper based on dry wt.

I'm not saying a truck can't handle it , just be aware of what is real and what is not. Then the owner or potential buyer can make his own 'weight police' decision using more real numbers.

Some tc dealers have on premises, portable scales to actually show a customer what that particular camper weighs sitting on its jacks . Now a formula could be used to add water,propane, extra battery and you would have a very good idea of what you were really going to haul before you plop down your cash .
If we are talking about a $30,000 camper, we have to earn $60,000 in order to buy it . Most of us have to work hard to earn 60k.


FYI : for those who rely on dry weights or decals pasted on campers by MFG's , take them for what they are worth.
If you look real close at the decal with a magnifier you can see "April fools" . :)


Add up the scale weights that were posted by 'sky free'...as well as others that have visited scales in the past.

I think a lot of people could Add 2000 lbs. to the below DECAL WEIGHT (as seen below) for a real 'rolling down the road weight'.

Keep in mind the OP's " dry wt. " was 4400# plus ...
even if we use the trusted formula below, the weight doesn't add up.




ex: year 2000 only 3000# with water etc . :h


ex 2012 scroll to the end , here a "formula" is used . It seems to me this formula is using the 'decal dry wt' to come up with 4100# .
Is it possible to simply put it on a scale and post the weight ? Load it up with options, water, full propane, two batteries and weigh it . See what it really weighs.
Each individual has his/her own comfort level and experience level operating a vehicle. It's up to each individual to add his/her personal items or carry less water or propane to adjust the rolling down the road weight .
That to me seems like a more logical way to do it .

http://www.truckcampermagazine.com/camper-reviews/first-look-2012-arctic-fox-990

This whole setup was carefully planned to be under GVWR, which is why I chose this truck with a low trim level and engine. I was very aware of the approx 1,000 lb difference between the diesel and gas version of the various trucks, but in many cases the diesel GVWR is 700 lbs higher than the gas, so you only lose 300 lbs of payload. Still, weight is weight when you are moving and being 1,000 lbs lighter can't do anything but help handling.

I'm really surprised by your empty weight also. My 2013 Ram DRW 4X4 CC Laramie weighs in at 8460 with tailgate on and tiedowns full tank of fuel but without me in it. I knew the diesels add a bunch of weight but that seems like a bunch more.

In the past the Fords were always the heaviest of the 3 or at least that has been my observation after owning all 3 brands over the years and friends weighing their rigs also. They keep raising the GVWR but they don't tell us that they raise the weight of the truck also. So you think by buying a new truck that you have increased the payload but come to find out it hardly made much difference. This happened to me when the 1999 Super Duty first came out. I bought a new dually because they raised the GVWR but when I weighed it I found out I had almost the same payload as my older truck.

It would be interested to hear what your actual weight is when fully loaded with everything. It wouldn't surprise me if you were quite a bit over. We all tend to think we pack light on groceries, LOL.. Did you add any beer or alcohol, LOL!