Which of these two trailers tows better

speediq99 wrote:
Gdetrailer,

What is involved in setting up the landscape 15g tank. Is this something that can be seemlessly integrated or so you have to stop and pump?

I don't know that they make additional or larger replacement tanks for the 2021 F150 Hybrid yet or at least I have not found it.

Mike

Missed your question..

The tank I have is designed to be a gravity flow but since it sits in the bed, gravity doesn't work.. So, I added a aftermarket feul pump rated for gas to it. Since you don't really want to mess with the emissions system I decided to just use the hose and nozzle that came with the tank..

Basically at one of my rest stops when the main tank is low enough to I will transfer the fuel from the landscaper tank. Takes about 10 minutes to transfer 15 gallons.

I was lucky to buy mine after the manufacturer discontinued it for $100, there is a different brand now but the cost is now $180..

Tank looks like this..



Found HERE

Mounted mine to a couple of 2x6 boards and then bolted that to the bed.. Added a aftermarket auto electric fuel pump and a filter and away we go..

It is actually tough to find gas rated aux fuel tanks and there may be still a aftermarket tank builder that makes larger replacement tanks for trucks but the last time I looked at that option it was something on the order of $1K plus installation.. Can't think of the manufacturer name right now.. Used to see posts about them on FTE (Ford Truck Enthusiasts) forum.

rexlion wrote:
In terms of fuel economy, it's pretty much a wash. In terms of handling, I would expect the shorter TT to behave better due to less tail to wag the dog.

Nope, long trailer less sway, easier, short trailer whip back and forth.

rexlion wrote:
In terms of fuel economy, it's pretty much a wash. In terms of handling, I would expect the shorter TT to behave better due to less tail to wag the dog.

Nope, longer the trailer the easier it is to tow with less sway. Had both long and short, know what I'm talking about after 33 years of towing experience.

speediq99 wrote:
The only caveat with the Hybrid is the gas tank. They lightly mention that even with the Max tow package, it 8s only a 30g tank.

I puzzles me as to why they leave out the tow mirrors with this package.

Many people do not want or like the larger tow mirrors and the added cost.

Had to replace a power scope (power extend and power fold) mirror on our 2013 F250, the Ford OEM replacement mirror cost $1400 and that was with a discount.

Yet another reason why in reality there is not as much price advantage to buying a F150 instead of a F250.. F250, you get towing mirrors by default.

And yes, love the large extendable towing mirrors..

Gdetrailer,

What is involved in setting up the landscape 15g tank. Is this something that can be seemlessly integrated or so you have to stop and pump?

I don't know that they make additional or larger replacement tanks for the 2021 F150 Hybrid yet or at least I have not found it.

Mike

The only caveat with the Hybrid is the gas tank. They lightly mention that even with the Max tow package, it 8s only a 30g tank.

I puzzles me as to why they leave out the tow mirrors with this package.

JIMNLIN wrote:

a new 1/2 truck equipped with the Max tow package and towing capacity of 14,000lbs should be able to safely tow a 6200 lb trailer.

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The F150 "Max Tow" package isn't the max payload/max trailer tow rating. That belongs to the F150HDPP with the highest 7850 gvwr and 4800 rawr along with the 3.5EB or the 5.0 v8 engine.
The max tow option can be had with just about any F150 trucks regardless of gvwr/rawr.Max tow is a good option for towing duties;

Max tow option
Includes:
• 3.55 Electronic-locking rear-axle
• 4-pin/7-pin wiring harness
• 36 Gallon fuel tank
• Auxiliary transmission oil cooler
• Engine oil cooler
• Class IV trailer hitch receiver
• Pro Trailer Backup Assist with Tailgate LED
• Smart Trailer Tow Connector (standard on LARIAT and higher)
• Integrated Trailer Brake Controller
• Upgraded front stabilizer bar
• Upgraded rear bumper

Requires 3.5L EcoBoost® engine.
Does not include Trailer Tow Mirrors. Trailer Tow Mirrors are a standalone option and must be ordered separately.
Max GCWR/Max Tow achieved on SuperCrew® when equipped with 20-inch Wheels. This configuration will also come equipped with max springs, steering gear, and upgraded stabilizer bar.

Paste and copy from Fords 2018 F150 specs so some things may change

2021 Max Tow can be had with the 5.0. HD towing package (53A) ,I.e., Towing Package on sticker, now comes with the ITBC.

That's really bad mileage. I had a 1995 class c with a 460 motor and the worst I ever saw was with 7 people and gear towing a cargo trailer and as low as 7mpg. WIth just me and no trailer it was 9-11, and thats more frontal area than your trailer too.
Towing is a differnt animal I know. Rarely are yo u pointed straight into the wind, always there are cross winds, so the side area is getting hit with the "apparent" wind, so longer trailer hits more wind.
In your case, a big motor (or more torque specifically at normal rpm's) will yield better mpg's towing, but worse not towing.
The best mpg will be a 24 valve Cummins (Ram) before all the DEF laws ruined diesel. 1998-early 2000's range. I had one and got better mileage than friends gas truck who towed nothing. I did not have giant trailers but could get 16-18mpg in it at 63 mph with what I towed.
I paid the price in $80 oil changes (took 3 gallons of oil each time), fuel filter changes, 2-cycle oil added 15 cents per gallon (that injector liked oil)... so maybe it evened out with the same rig with a gas motor.
3/4 ton trucks have bigger everything, heavier, harder to work on and a little more expensive for parts, so there is advantage to a 1/2 ton, but it might flush out when 1/2 ton wears out quicker than the 3/4 ton would have towing so heavy...
You do need to do something as 6mpg is horrible and you likely are hesitant to travel as much.
I have friends with gigantic rigs with same issues. a chore to hook up, a chore to manuver, a chore to park, very poor mpg, so when I take my little rig any and everywhere, he leaves his at home, bc it is just expensive and a chore. RVing is all about trade-offs unless money is no object, and then we'd all be in $500,000 rigs of some sort getting 3mpg and living it up...
My rule I share is, get the absolute smallest rig you can live with.

dodge guy wrote:
Stick with what you have and carry an extra 5 gallons in the bed of the truck. Or trade up to a 5.0 F150. Maybe even an F150 with the Eco Boost. But either way be sure to get the HD payload and Max tow pkg.

Length and weight of those isn't a problem as the trailer axles are set pretty far back so as to avoid any or little sway.

OP is getting 5 MPG-6MPG, 5 gallons would give them 25-30 miles more range at best.

I am thinking they were looking and expecting a range of 350 miles to 400 miles (around 11 MPG) and they are getting 180-216 miles..

They would have to carry 80 gallons of fuel total or about 6 five gallon cans of gas..

They just found out the hard way that economy is not gonna happen with their combination and the only way to fix that is go lower profile and lighter weight.

Stick with what you have and carry an extra 5 gallons in the bed of the truck. Or trade up to a 5.0 F150. Maybe even an F150 with the Eco Boost. But either way be sure to get the HD payload and Max tow pkg.

Length and weight of those isn't a problem as the trailer axles are set pretty far back so as to avoid any or little sway.