I live in Los Angeles. My first two pups were brought from a dealer that abandoned pups in the recession. They were both coleman/fleetwood. A couple of years ago we were ready for number 3, and we checked out 3 dealerships - selling Jayco, Starcraft (which is actually also a Jayco), and Coachman. I thought the coachman was pretty flimsy. I sort of liked the Jayco, but hated the dealer. I also hated the starcraft dealer. So, I can see how it is difficult to get much out of them.