Which Year Suburban 2500?

azwildcat99 wrote:
I just caught a lead on an 06 4x4 8 pass. cloth with the 8.1, but the yellow sticker lists payload at only 1980. Can that be right? I thought for sure they were all lighter than the newer models. Has anyone actually weighed their TV empty and found the real payload different than the yellow sticker indicates?

GREAT confusion on how the various ratings, weights (both listed
and actual), acronyms (GVWR, F/R-GAWR, MTWR, GCWR and a big ETC) are
not confusing at all...once you folks accept how it is done...and that
you folks are taking 'one' RATING out of context in reference to the
other ratings

It is a whole system and interplay or multiplexed. That is really the
only way the OEMs can do it...as the matrix is huge and even more
confusing

Here is how the whole ratings system (yes...a system with interdependency's...and note that is a plural)

howmuchcanitow


Know my TV the best and have most of the info to back it up and/or
show you folks how it works. Reference the ratings graphic above
for each number if you find it confusing

GMT400, 1996 GMC Suburban. Ordered it after placing several refundable
deposits all over the area...to have them call it is 'in'...then to
find all of them half tons....wrong color...2WD to loaded with everything
they could bolt on. SUV's were 'hot' and to 'die for' at that time
and hated getting caught in the midst of fashion statement crowd
driving SUV hysteria...that seemingly continues to this day

Bought it from a semi dealer/broker who sold 'cars' as a favor to
their customers. Real truck sales folks and knew their stuff both
for cars and trucks

Here is my door label listing GVWR FGAWR RGAWR and tire size


Notice the wrong/wacky GVWR of 7,900 vs the 8,600 above. This label
stuck next to the correct label above


My glove box door label listing all options ordered and delivered with



Here is a GMT800/2004 half ton Suburban door label to give an example
that the label lists the same types of info from year to year, era to era



So here goes my ratings info:

GMT400/1996 3/4 ton Suburban SLT (highest option package), 4x4, 7.4L,
2nd/3rd row seats, console, ceiling console, etc, etc
Reference above glove box label for ALL of the options on my Sub
and note the F60 option (snow plow prep package)...why I tongue-n-cheek
call mine a K3500 :B

GVWR.......8,600 lbs
FGAWR......4,250 lbs
RGAWR......6,000 lbs
MTWR......10,000 lbs
Curb.......5,250 lbs
GCWR......16,000 lbs
Actual.....7,xxx lbs (can't remember the exact number from the garden scales

My weight...180 lbs



So according to how most folks 'think' it works...taking the GVWR of
8,600 minus the curb of 5,250 = 3,350 lb payload or cargo capacity or
rating

But that is so wrong, as my Sub with me in it at the garden scales has
it weigh in around 7,200 lbs...so my 'true' or 'actual' cargo or
payload with me in it, the toolbox & misc stuff is 8,600 - 7,200 = 1,400 lbs

Or less than half of what they can 'advertise' using the curb



Here is my last Calif SMOG testing and certification. Note it says my
curb is 5,250 lb and is from the DMV's DB, that has *ALL* of the OEMs
supplied ratings and weights



I could NOT unbolt enough of the options to get my +7,200 lb Sub
down to the OEM listed 'curb'



Another point based on the above is the MTWR (Max Tow Weight Rating)
that folks take out of context all the time. Ditto advisers who like
wise take it out of context

The 'true' MTWR is to take the 16,000 GCWR - ~7,200 actual weight =
8,800 lbs

If you take my 16,000 lb GCWR - 5,250 curb = around 10,000 lb, which
is what the GM Brochures all advertise

BUT, that is still not correct, as I some times have other folks in
the Sub...and/or...luggage and a big ETC. So on those times my true
MTWR is less than the above 8,800 lb




Why always recommend going out and weigh it axle by axle to know where
they are in reference to 'their' true ratings.