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jfkmk
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Oct 06, 2017

Why a pickup?

We have a 17' TT that we tow with a mid sized body on frame SUV and it tows great. It's not going to win any drag races towing the trailer, but I've never been in a situation where it significantly slowed on any hills, and with the wdh and sway, never had sway problems.

That being said, were looking at replacing our current TT with something in the low 20' range. I don't want to overload the SUV, so I'm going out today to start shopping for a half ton. I'm really not interested in anything bigger than a half ton, as the low 20' range is the biggest TT we would get. We've been camping/rv'ing for years, from tents to pop up to class c to our current TT, so we know what we want in a TT.

The question is this. As I've read the posts on this forum, whenever someone mentions they are/want to tow with a SUV, everyone warns about the dire lack of payload. Yet whenever someone mentions towing with a 150/1500, unless the trailer is over 30', the general consensus is "no problem".

For example, in a recent post regarding a Durango, someone stated the Durango only had a 1600# payload capacity, and they were going to run out of capacity almost before they start. Yet from the inventories I've seen on line for the F-150, with the tow package and 3.5eb, the payload is typically 1680#. So why would 1680 be ok, but not 1600?

Additional, some recent posts regarding the Ram, folks post "you'll be fine" without even asking about payload. Another recent post shows payload for a Ram 1500 at about 1400#. So a Durango with 1600# gets dire warnings and a Ram with 1400 gets the thumbs up?

I'm not knocking anyone's responses to posts, this forum is usually a wealth of information. I'm just trying to understand the true advantage of the pickup if the payloads and tow capacities are similar. I fully understand body on frame v unibody construction, I would not tow with the latter.

Thanks!

59 Replies

  • Regardless of rating, PU's are simply more heavy duty with heavier frames, suspension, brakes and power trains (including cooling) than SUV's - again, regardless of ratings.
    Those that have tried both can tell the difference.
  • SidecarFlip wrote:
    Considering the Durango's dismal track record for transmission failures, I'd be looking at something else.


    I get the impression that you're out of touch with modern vehicles. The Durango has the same transmission that's used in many other vehicles and I've yet to hear the horror stories.

    Coil sprung Rams tow very stable too by the way. They ride as well if not better than anything else out there.

    Maybe you're just so far over my head in knowledge that I don't realize how terrible my totally relaxing driving/towing experience really is.
  • Truth is. for a 20' TT, any full size SUV will work fine. Just get enough motor and rear gear. Be sure to properly adjust the hitch, and you will be good to go.

    Yes I have experience towing with a SUV. We towed our 27' TT with our 2002 Expedition for years. It did a great job. No sway, and plenty of power.

    Advantages of a truck, are that you can just throw the wet stuff in the back if it is raining when you break camp. Also you can carry firewood and bikes in the back.

    It is your choice. Either will do what you want
  • Guys, I agree that overloading is a no no for any vehicle. I get that the suspension is generally softer in a SUV. I understand the longer wheelbase is definitely a factor. My question was if the payloads are similar as is tow capacity, why the warnings on towing with a SUV but not with the pickup?

    Question on wheelbase. How much of a difference does a few inches make? I mean, if the wheelbase on a pu is 3inches longer than that of a SUV, is 3 inches that much of a difference?

    Sidecar flip, I'm definitely not considering a Durango or other dodge product. Although I loved my 71 Challenger, I'll steer clear of dodge, ram, fiat, whatever they're called these days!

    Thanks!
  • I've always said, there are no "rights" or "wrongs" when it comes to camping. Your choice of tow vehicle is ... well??? ... your choice.

    I think it's pretty much a given, that pick-up trucks are designed and manufactured with the intent of carrying a load of some sort and towing something. Even the smallest of pick-up trucks have beds in them and they are capable of carrying something.

    However, a "car" or an "SUV" is a different matter. They are typically not built with the purpose of towing, but rather the purpose of carrying passengers, and usually a family of 2 adults and 2 small kids. More is not the expected usage.

    So, when it come to towing with a "SUV" you've got to be careful. Like mentioned above, the body, the frame, the shear strength of the vehicle may not be able to to much more than a very small U-Haul 4x6 foot utility trailer. Just because they come with a receiver for a hitch does not mean they can actually tow anything with substantial weight.

    You also have to take into consideration, not only the body and frame strength, but the engine power and the transmission. It might tow for awhile, but what is the long term damage it's causing? Also, the suspension is usually much lighter on some, whereas a pick-up truck almost always comes with a suspension anticipating to carry a load (although some pick-ups are able to carry a heavier load than others, but none will be able to carry 40,000 pounds like a semi truck can!

    My Chevy Equinox is actually titled as a "Truck". But I'd never want to tow my 10,000 pound travel trailer with it.

    I think, in the end, you have to follow the manufacturers recommendations for trailer weight, hitch type and hitch weight for YOUR specific automobile (whatever that may be).

    Here again, just because it called a "truck" or an "SUV" does not necessarily mean it can actually do more than it was designed to do. Check the manufacturer specifications. That's your best answer.

    Yes, there are a lot of folks towing way beyond their vehicle's capacity. They may never have an accident because of it, but over time, it's creating excessive wear on the vehicle ... which in time ... will break down. That's the difference between a vehicle designed for towing and one that is no.

    FYI, my first tow vehicle was a Chevy Lumina Mini Van and towed a pop-up with it for 6 years. After we switched to our first trailer, we still drove the mini van for another few years, and finally traded it under the program "cash for clunkers" if you remember that.

    Our next tow vehicle was a 1500 Chevy Suburban (gas) our our first TT with it was our Dutchmen Sport (Under 6000 pounds).... well within specs of the Suburban.

    Guess what? It tore up the transmission after only 3 months. We replaced the transmission and it never worked the same again. We finally traded it for a gas duly 3500 crew cab Silverado pick-up and never looked back.

    So, talking from experience here, and not just "hear-say".... ALL the parts of the tow vehicle have to be towable ready and supportive. It's more than just weight capacity, it's the entire vehicle ... from tires to the type of oil used in the transmission!

    Check the manufacturer, that's your best guideline.
  • Overloading either is not okay. The GVWR is there for a reason.
  • It's the old tail wagging the dog story. Pickups have more load carrying capacity. SUVs are passenger vehicles with soft suspensions designed for comfort. Trucks are designed to carry a rated load safely.
  • alot is length of wheelbase a durango is a,short wheelbase so coukd loose control easier than a f150 with a longer base
  • Considering the Durango's dismal track record for transmission failures, I'd be looking at something else.