Two words......energy density. Video - Why Teslas Are Bad At Towing (Today)Maybe someday, but not today.Now let the excuses commence......

ShinerBock wrote:Two words......energy density. Video - Why Teslas Are Bad At Towing (Today)Maybe someday, but not today.Now let the excuses commence......I am still not convinced that electric is not just the rebound date of eco vehicle development. Fact is, it will take many decades to completely transform how we travel. There are limitations on electric capacity and battery technology that are very similar to fossil fuels. There very well may be a new technology developed within the life cycle of the electric vehicle that will be better and more sustainable.

Tesla semi towing Tesla semi towing #2

ShinerBock wrote:Now let the excuses commence......Did you post this just to start an argument ?Well there should not BE one.....because the Tesla wasn't designed to DO that. Neither was the VW bug and the list goes on.

Only limit is range and recharging, Yes? EV should be very good when actually towing. Gobs of torque, always in just the right gear.Not sure why you called out Tesla as they are as good as it gets right now for towing with a EV. Did you really mean LEAF, Bolt, Kona or something else?

8.1 Van wrote: Tesla semi towing Tesla semi towing #2 All marketing hype with no data. 1. Range with how much weight?2. Acceleration with 80k pounds. How much is profit generating payload not the extra weight of batteries?3. Cheaper electric. I am sure that metric will stay the same if electric is the only game in town compared with fossil fuels. :h4. Same old same old vids and pics from years ago. Where is the testing and actual numbers?

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ShinerBock
Explorer
Dec 08, 2019
time2roll wrote:
What taxes are marked to have the military deployed around the globe to keep oil flowing. Why does this continue when we import so little oil?

Because it was a false assumption that we keep the military around the to keep oil flowing. It was just propaganda used by certain people to pander to political sides. As you say, we import little oil now, but our military is still involved in these places so the assumption that it is for oil is invalid. Although it is kind of funny that a certain political party president can attack a region for a certain reason and not one word is said about lying or it being for oil. However, if the opposite political party did it less than five years later using the same exact reason, all of the sudden they are lying and doing it for oil.

time2roll wrote:
What taxes are charged to clean up the oil spills and clean the air from petrol?

The companies that spill the oil are mainly the ones who are forced to pay for the clean up. As far as air goes, everyone who is buying a gas vehicle is paying for its better emissions when they buy it.

As far as cleaning the air goes, there are companies such as Carbon Engineering that have the backing of people like Bill Gates that are working to pull carbon from the air and make fuel out of it. They have stated that they could even pull more carbon than what is being put into the air by the fuel. However, they will need ICE vehicles around to buy the fuel so it can pay for the infrastructure. Without ICE, they would likely not have enough money to reverse the amount of carbon in the air.
Huntindog
Explorer
Dec 08, 2019
NJRVer wrote:
Huntindog wrote:
Lynnmor wrote:
time2roll wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
Because they are taxing me to fund a rebate for you to buy one...you want to buy one, fine...if the company survives, great...but when you make me pay for it, I get say.
Really? What line on your 1040 relates to the EV surcharge?

BTW any tax credit to Tesla Buyers ENDS December 31, 2019.

The bottom line where the total tax is listed is where the hogs come to the trough.

Hopefully the rebates come to an end and then taxes are collected to fund the highways.
Yes, they get rebates, often get cheaper plates(depends on state) do not pay highway use taxes, and get to use the carpool lanes anytime.

As usual, those at the trough do not see anything wrong with this.

It is real easy to be liberal with other peoples money.

Sure is, just ask the Defense Dept.

I only speakn English.
The defense dept. sees to it that I do not have to learn another language.

I like our defense dept. You should too.
Yosemite_Sam1
Explorer
Dec 08, 2019
time2roll wrote:
What taxes are marked to have the military deployed around the globe to keep oil flowing. Why does this continue when we import so little oil?

What taxes are charged to clean up the oil spills and clean the air from petrol?

And our servicemen and women are paying for it in blood.

Let us also include the medical bills of those in the so-called cancer alleys (heavy traffic freeways).
time2roll
Nomad
Dec 08, 2019
What taxes are marked to have the military deployed around the globe to keep oil flowing. Why does this continue when we import so little oil?

What taxes are charged to clean up the oil spills and clean the air from petrol?
ShinerBock
Explorer
Dec 08, 2019
JRscooby wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:

This is one of the challenges that the Tesla semi and other BEV semis will have to face. Since their batteries are so heavy, they will have to carry less in order to stay within legal limits which means more vehicles(and more road degradation) to carry the same load a ICE semi could. Weight is one of the main reasons why fuel cell semi's are being taken more seriously in the heavy duty truck market than BEV's.

Many, if not most loads cube out before hit GVW restriction. And many of those loads move plant to plant/terminal to terminal. This is the place for E trucks.
Most folks don't understand that to register a truck for weights over 27 tons IIRC, the owner must pay a extra HVUT. Also, CMVs must keep track of miles driven in each state, the gallons of fuel bought/fuel tax paid. If enough fuel not bought in a state, mail money. It will not be the semis that get away from fuel taxes

As a person who has been in the medium/heavy duty industry for over two decades, I will say that most of this is false.
stsmark
Explorer
Dec 08, 2019
There was an article in the Semi thread a couple months back about the Hyundai future truck. The VP of Engineering made a statement regarding the Tesla Semi will be in violation of Fed bridge limits regarding weight versus wheelbase he said they forgot to allow for this. There was also a Euro reg regarding front overhang that apparently it and the Nikola are out of spec. So they can’t go into city areas.
Anybody else pick up on that?
NJRVer
Explorer
Dec 08, 2019
wilber1 wrote:
NJRVer wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
Because they are taxing me to fund a rebate for you to buy one...you want to buy one, fine...if the company survives, great...but when you make me pay for it, I get say.
Really? What line on your 1040 relates to the EV surcharge?

BTW any tax credit to Tesla Buyers ENDS December 31, 2019.

Others beat me to it.

Even with the tax credit coming to an end (tesla is fighting to change and extend it)...in most areas, you pay no where near the fuel tax, which is intended to pay for the roads you drive on. There has been some move to increase registration fees but so far, it's not nearly as much as the gas tax collected.

So how much does a Tesla wear out and degrade the roads?

Seriously? Why would it be any different than any other vehicle the same weight?

Point being that most roads are designed for heavy truck traffic. The extra costs for building roads are due to truck traffic.
If it wasn't for the heavy truck traffic roads would last a lot longer.

So EV's and really any autos impact on road degradation is minimal.
The exception being maybe a local road in a housing subdivision that wasn't designed to carry massive weights to begin with.
That is why you will see posted weight limits on local roads.
Lynnmor
Explorer
Dec 08, 2019
There is more than weight that adds to the expense of operating roads. Signage, guardrails, signal lights, law enforcement, mowing, snow removal are a few. To allow some vehicles to not share the burden gets back to the politics of this subject.
wilber1
Explorer
Dec 08, 2019
NJRVer wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
Because they are taxing me to fund a rebate for you to buy one...you want to buy one, fine...if the company survives, great...but when you make me pay for it, I get say.
Really? What line on your 1040 relates to the EV surcharge?

BTW any tax credit to Tesla Buyers ENDS December 31, 2019.

Others beat me to it.

Even with the tax credit coming to an end (tesla is fighting to change and extend it)...in most areas, you pay no where near the fuel tax, which is intended to pay for the roads you drive on. There has been some move to increase registration fees but so far, it's not nearly as much as the gas tax collected.

So how much does a Tesla wear out and degrade the roads?

Seriously? Why would it be any different than any other vehicle the same weight?
JRscooby
Explorer II
Dec 08, 2019
ShinerBock wrote:

This is one of the challenges that the Tesla semi and other BEV semis will have to face. Since their batteries are so heavy, they will have to carry less in order to stay within legal limits which means more vehicles(and more road degradation) to carry the same load a ICE semi could. Weight is one of the main reasons why fuel cell semi's are being taken more seriously in the heavy duty truck market than BEV's.

Many, if not most loads cube out before hit GVW restriction. And many of those loads move plant to plant/terminal to terminal. This is the place for E trucks.
Most folks don't understand that to register a truck for weights over 27 tons IIRC, the owner must pay a extra HVUT. Also, CMVs must keep track of miles driven in each state, the gallons of fuel bought/fuel tax paid. If enough fuel not bought in a state, mail money. It will not be the semis that get away from fuel taxes

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