otrfun wrote:
There are many details that remain to be worked out---but, the writing certainly appears on the wall: day-to-day commuters looking to purchase a new vehicle in 15 years or so will probably have their choices limited solely to EV's.
With that being said, got to wonder how manufacturers (and lawmakers) will address the production of *new*, recreational vehicles and TV's (specifically those with a GVWR >10k) in 15 years?
wnjj wrote:It was miserable here in SoCal in the '70s and still lots of room for improvement.JRscooby wrote:KD4UPL wrote:
It's amazing how someone can think their way of life needs to imposed on everyone else even though they don't understand other people's way of life.
Yes, the whole world must comply with our way of life, no matter if our grandkids have no clean air or water
The 1970’s called. They want their clean air and water argument back.
Reisender wrote:
Plus electric vehicles are a fraction of the cost to operate.
Time will tell.
pitch wrote:
Most of you guys are just amazing!!!!!! You sit there in your smugness, declaring that there will be no electric vehicles, that battery technology will never be adequate, that the grid does not have the capacity,that this won't work and that won't work
1964 your high school graduation. They would yank your diploma and lock you up if you started goingon about a device the same size as a pack of cigarettes,( which you are familiar with because everyone smoked)that could make phone calls, do calculations,display maps and directions, receive broadcasts, and put the knowledge of the world at your fingertips. Tell them about that oven your mom has that can heat a can of soup in 3 minutes.
Tell your classmates about adaptive cruise control, collision avoidance,lane assistance.
Tearfully shout your goodbyes as they load you into the nut wagon.
Some of you guys really need to think past the end of your nose!
KD4UPL wrote:
Do you have any idea what it takes to make a battery? Lithium, Cobalt, Nickel, and Magnesium are all MINED; largely in third world countries. The mines for these rare metals are huge; they burn vast amounts of DIESEL fuel to power the mining machines and trucks. There is lots of ground water contamination. There is lots of child labor being used. Further, unlike lead acid batteries, lithium batteries are not very recyclable; they are mostly just a throw-away battery. Current recycling "technology" for lithium batteries includes basically burning them to smelt the precious metals back out. Further, all these electric cars being recharged from a grid that is still 63% fueled by fossil fuels.
Anyone who thinks electric cars are "saving the planet" or keeping the air and water clean isn't looking at the whole picture.
pitch wrote:
And another thing, If you all don't start encouraging and support alternate sources,you are doing the nation an amazing disservice. I can guarantee that if we as a nation do not get behind new power,with support and yes, even subsidies, China is going to eat our lunch. They are already ahead on the technology.
So go ahead and stick your head in the sand and your dupa in the air, because our grandchildren will be driving Chinese cars or at least ones that China will be pulling royalty payment from.
Lynnmor wrote:JRscooby wrote:
Do you understand most people in the world don't travel as far in their life as we do in a year? Most food in the world is consumed within a few miles of where it is produced?
The fact is the whole world shares in the cost of our lifestyle.
I do understand that there are those that want that wonderful lifestyle for the U.S., will you be satisfied when we accomplish this goal?
JRscooby wrote:
Do you understand most people in the world don't travel as far in their life as we do in a year? Most food in the world is consumed within a few miles of where it is produced?
The fact is the whole world shares in the cost of our lifestyle.
