Canadians and Americans living in Mexico

[navegator]

According to INEJI (Instituto Nacional de Estadistica e Informatica), in the 2000 census they counted how many Canadians and Americans where living permanently in Mexico, this does not take into account the transient population known as turistas, these figures are taken from the INEJI pages, I tried to get the 2010 figures, no luck.

There are also a lot of Europeans, as well an immigrants from all over the world.

Census 2000 INEJI

Canadians 5,448,480
U.S.A. 31,107,889

Take into account that there are more Canadians and Americans that have retired in the last 15 years since this statistic was compiled, some have passed away and some have moved back while new ones have replaced them.

Some Cities are more foreign than Mexican, San Miguel de Allende for example, the shores of lake Chapala look more like American communities with a Mexican flavor.

The world is becoming smaller and more persons are on the move be it for political reasons or economics or just because they can.

This is just curiosity on my part and thought I might share it with the RV community in Mexico.

Have a pleasant day.

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[John___Angela]

clarkster wrote:
I am one of those American gringos living full time in a small (15K) town in Baja California Sur named Loreto. Maybe several hundred are gringos.
Loreto sits right on the Sea of Cortez north of La Paz about 200 road miles.
Only one highway north and south......MX highway 1.

I moved here in 2002 from San Diego, CA
First priority was the good fishing.
Then the relaxed rules and regulations as compared to SoCal.

I bought a home outright from the proceeds of the sale of my San Diego home with plenty to spare.

Yes, it's a challenge at times to just find things and navigate the foreign system of how things are done in MX. The adventure of it all keeps things interesting.

My house is within 2 blocks of the boat launching ramp and NO one cares if the boat trailer has lights or license plates.
No one cares if some kids ride in the boat from my house to the ramp and no one cares if I use an old beater Suzuki Samurai as my tow vehicle.

Labor and taxes are the 2 cheapest things going.
Day to day food stuffs are less than San Diego, especially local goods such as eggs, chicken and tortillas.

Did I mention there is only ONE signal light in town?

We have good memories of our two visits to your area in the 2008 2009 era. Although for us I think we are more attracted to the historic towns and cities of the mainland I remember being struck by two things while in that area.

1. The absolute tranquility of walking down main street at any hour of the day. It was sometimes busy but never "busy". DOn't know how to explain that any better.

2. The second thing that struck me was...one of the branches of the trees on main street. They don't trim those to a comfortable height for those of us over 6 feet. I hope you don't mind if I post a few pics of your town.















We miss Mexico so much but have a limited budget in which to travel the world. We spent the summer in Europe and just made plans for another three weeks travelling in the Andalusia regions of Spain next year. That is a prep trip to buy an RV there and hopefully tour for 9 months through Europe and Morocco. Mexico is on our radar but probably 5 years out at this point.

[mexicoruss]

Clarkster I loved your post and you should know it!

[clarkster]

I am one of those American gringos living full time in a small (15K) town in Baja California Sur named Loreto. Maybe several hundred are gringos.
Loreto sits right on the Sea of Cortez north of La Paz about 200 road miles.
Only one highway north and south......MX highway 1.

I moved here in 2002 from San Diego, CA
First priority was the good fishing.
Then the relaxed rules and regulations as compared to SoCal.

I bought a home outright from the proceeds of the sale of my San Diego home with plenty to spare.

Yes, it's a challenge at times to just find things and navigate the foreign system of how things are done in MX. The adventure of it all keeps things interesting.

My house is within 2 blocks of the boat launching ramp and NO one cares if the boat trailer has lights or license plates.
No one cares if some kids ride in the boat from my house to the ramp and no one cares if I use an old beater Suzuki Samurai as my tow vehicle.

Labor and taxes are the 2 cheapest things going.
Day to day food stuffs are less than San Diego, especially local goods such as eggs, chicken and tortillas.

Did I mention there is only ONE signal light in town?

[vantexan]

When we were in San Miguel in late 2013 we were told by several sources that there were approximately 14,000 foreign residents in SM out of a population of 65,000, and about 5000 were Americans. Plus quite a few come down for the winter.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

Most of the ducks stay gone for the weather off-season. Then it's the max limits imposed by migracion that brings them back. Hazarding a guess I would say maybe <20% never leave. When the people go north is when they get burgled. They group like minnows, flee north all around the same time year-after-year and the crooks prepare their shopping lists ahead of time.

[navegator]

You are referring to the Canadians that loose their medical and other benefits if they stay out too long, this figures are for those foreigners that have applied for either work visas or permanent residence.

There are others that are semi permanent, they spend as much time as possible, and then make a mad dash to the border or take a plane out, stay 3 to 5 days and return to Mexico, they do not count on the census, they are considered as turistas.

It is interesting to see how many nationalities there are, I know that there are social clubs that represent several nations, there are also several schools that are recognized in in the country affiliated to the school, Colegio Aleman, Colegio Americano, etc. I spent a 4th of July there, there is an American Legion chapter in Mexico City.

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[MEXICOWANDERER]

Jeez navegator around these parts about one in TEN residente permanentes stay through the summer. Last time through ajijic same thing. These folks are permanentes but they bail in the highlands when it gets cold and down here at sea level when it gets hot. Canadians MUST go home or lose their healthcare and they need to feed Revenue Canada.

I've noted this seasonal bailout in Barra de Navidad, San Miguel, P.V. Cabo Son Locos. INEGI has missed me the last TEN census counts. And I am a citizen.

I wonder about those figures. Face-to-face they don't jibe what my eyes confirm...

[navegator]

I looked up the population of Canadians and Americans that stay in Mexico 24/7/365 as opposed to the seasonal turistas, these are the foreigners that got counted in the 2010 census by the Mexican Government as living permanently in the country.

These are the figures that where reported by CEO's, employee's, the Canadian and American Embassy and all those retired that make Mexico they're permanent residence, as well as all other immigrants from all other countries.

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[MEXICOWANDERER]

Many so-called permanent residents disappear in the off-season. Hot country Summer, temperate country, Winter. If I would have to hazard a guess maybe 30% stay here for a 12-month stretch.

[mayo30]

navegator wrote:
After reading some of the comments I also started having doubts, not being a mathematical genius I told my wife the figures, she's an accountant today, worked in Mexico as an executive secretary, etc.

She laughed and said you and those sites are way off and to re-word the questions
in Spanish and not in English, well after 4 hours more or less I finally got more correct figures than the original ones.

I am old school when it comes to computers and such, I am trying to learn, all of this info comes from the INEJI sites.

Here hare figures that come up more than all others.


U.S.A. 738 103
Canada 7 943


navegador

Good job,thanks
Doug

[navegator]

After reading some of the comments I also started having doubts, not being a mathematical genius I told my wife the figures, she's an accountant today, worked in Mexico as an executive secretary, etc.

She laughed and said you and those sites are way off and to re-word the questions
in Spanish and not in English, well after 4 hours more or less I finally got more correct figures than the original ones.

I am old school when it comes to computers and such, I am trying to learn, all of this info comes from the INEJI sites.

Here hare figures that come up more than all others.

U.S.A. 738 103
Canada 7 943


navegador

[briansue]

It always helps to have a web address where the info can be found - or where it was found. I found . . . http://www.inegi.org.mx . . . but don't know how to find the rest of the info. Maybe someone can post the specific web page?

[OH48Lt]

Those 5M/31M stats cannot be even close. Having no direct knowledge of the population in Mexico, I'm not calling BS, but almost 10% of Americans live in Mexico? Not hardly. Bet its less than 1M USA and Canadians combined.

[mayo30]

John & Angela wrote:
Good afternoon Navegator and thanks for sharing. I gotta agree with the rest of the canucks. There is something off with those numbers. Were the numbers written as figures or words? I would think the Canadian number would be off by a factor of 10. I would be surprised if that many Canadians visited Mexico in 3 years. We just don't have a lot of people up here.

Regardless, its interesting that there is a website out there that has that info.

A quick google came up with a counteracting number of just under a total of 1 million foreigners total living in Mexico.

http://geo-mexico.com/?p=4031

Gotta love the internet for providing reliable info. (sarcasm mode on here)

J and A

Saw this site and it makes a whole lot of more sense.Those other numbers seem to have a Putinish spin on them.