Fuel in Mexico after Harvey

[Tequila]

Since Mexico is importing about 55% of its fuel right now, I am thinking a couple of gerry cans may be in order since I am crossign in mid Oct. I remember the closures last December

[Tequila]

Gas went up 10 cents a liter in Vancouver the day the hurricane hit. When world price drops they claim it takes a month for the expensive gas to work its way out of the system. Somehow the cheaper fuel disappears overnight.

BTW i know about takign fuel gerry cans across the border. I was going to take an empty one and maybe fill it up at first opportunity if I felt shortagaes may be an issue.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

Let's see f my totally inadequate MBA can keep up with "The Most Powerful Economy list...

Country imports raw material under trade agreement

Country processes said raw material into finished products.

Country exports raw material

Worth of finished product listed as net economic production

Country exports crude oil

Crude oil is refined outside Mexico

Value of finished product is tabulated as net economic gain.

Brasil produces more revenue in arms than total Mexican production of products made by wholly Mexican companies producing for domestic consumption.

"Whaddya mean all of the profits of General Motors, Ford, Volkswagen, Nestele, Costco, Schlage, and maquiladora profits are not kept in Mexico?"

This is known as "Cooking The Books". Like what SEMATUR did for development for tourist infrastructure in the 80's and 90's.

And counting (many) hundreds of thousands of tour ship passengers who spend an afternoon wandering in tourist zones and buying nothing, as legitimate statistical fodder for calculating everything from visitor numbers to safety calculations.

The Bernie Madoff, cookbook reigns supreme. Never forget that.

[briansue]

Not everyone thinks Mexico is going down the tubes.

RANKED: These will be the 32 most powerful economies in the world by 2050

http://www.businessinsider.com/pwc-ranking-of-biggest-economies-ppp-2050-2017-2

7. Mexico — $6.863 trillion.
6. Russia — $7.131 trillion.
5. Brazil — $7.540 trillion.
4. Indonesia — $10.502 trillion.
3. United States — $34.102 trillion.
2. India — $44.128 trillion.
1. China — $58.499 trillion.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

Somos Chingados, really seems to upset defensive gringo expats. The term was not coined by a Chicano. Back in the 60's the hand scrawled term "Oferta!" "Ganga!" graced the outside walls of tiendas. Today it's Soriana's 3x2 "promociones" that continue the trend. But if you have friends who are Mexicano, ask them about the gasolinera trick of lowering pump prices to legal minimum then adjusting the dispenser to compensate by delivering less. i have two friends who are francisias od gasolineras. They shake their head over this. today, I drove two miles, past half a dozen gasolineras with mantas shouting LITROS COMPLETOS. They were empty of cars. the "7-11" gasolinera with 7-11 mantas hung over the Pemex signage was full of cars. And this place had the highest allowable liter price. Same thing on the opposite side of the city - highest allowed pump price yet cars were lined up out into the side street. The "savings" per liter could not touch the money savings in total price. Yes many of the gasolineras are on the LISTA NEGRA for cheating stations. Dispensers outnumber regulatory personnel 100 to 1.

When I go to a strange town, I yell out the window to a taxiista "OIJA where is the gasolinera you fill up at (in Spanish)" Cops ans taxi cab drivers always know where to get more liters for the dinero.

[qtla9111]

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
Pobrecito Mexico

I like so many other Mexicans are really fed up with the "woe is me" attitude of some Mexicans and foreigners.

The truth is so important as people take hearsay as fact. Some of the so-called facts on this thread are so distorted it's unbelievable.

This taken directly from Deloitte Mexico:

"as volatility in the price of oil will continue because of two factors: the uncertainty generated by the so-called 'Trump effect' and the increase of investments that the sector has registered in the United States , which indicates that they will soon begin exploration and exploitation of wells."

Prices of Gasoline
A Liberalization Without Significant Changes

You'll have to put it into Google Translate if you want it in English.

So far, the price fluctuations are working exactly as planned. The process is slow. Keep in mind that Mexico nationalized the industry for more than 70 years and turning things around take time.

I have seen prices on a one-day trip that vary as much as 1 peso. May not sound like much to you but Mexicans are actually beginning to shop by price.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

NAFTA effectively confuses the crude export import ratio to the point of utter nonsense. For instance SHELL OIL counts Mexican crude oil as IMPORTS while not counting millions of barrels of refined product exported to Mexico as "Exported".

Why?

Shell Oil owns the crude wharf receiver and tankage at Deer Park Texas. Everything pumped off the tankers is counted as imported crude. But because the refinery itself the process units are a Shell/Pemex joint venture, product shipped out of Houston is not counted as Export.

Mexico has tons of sour dense Maya crude. But it's hard on old-fashioned refineries. And light-ends production is small percentage wise.

The USA has an abundance of Fracked crude. Sweet and light. So bring out Monte Hall for Let's Make A Deal...

Mexico swaps two barrels of Maya sour for one barrel of Fracked crude. This arrangement was publicized about two years ago. The Frack does not go to Mexico. It stays in the USA and is part of the feedstock for Mexican refined comistibles.

I last visited a new plant at the MTZ refinery several years ago. The Process Operator at the new Delayed Coker plant, told me over 90% of the plant's feedstock was "Maya Heavy". The Delayed Coker plant is a miracle in extracting carbon and sulfur from crude oil and guess what...Mexico does not have a Delayed Coker plant in any of it's refineries.

The gasoline price jump down here, called the gasolinaza by Mexicans, was necessary to meet the price of USA refined fuel. Because commodities brokers pay oops I mean influence, the congress of the USA, pressure was put on Mexico to purchase gasoline with 10% alcohol content. I haven't a clue as to the extent or coverage of laced gasoline imports to Mexico. But they are coming for sure.

The imports allowed Mexico to back down domestic refining by 30% averting disaster at under maintained ancient Mexican refineries.

Thanks to pipeline theft, the scheduling of UBA diesel to Mexico City has been set back. Pemex is having a hell of a time trying to make delivery of UBA as incorruptable as possible. But ten thousand pesos slipped in the pocket of a pipeline pumper, can make his memory go bad. Therefore a "pig" which is a plug separator between pumped shipments through the pipe, may get "forgotten" in all the "confusion".

All the "pipas" (truck tankers) in the entire country would have a hard time keeping up with delivering enough UBA diesel to Mexico and Edo de Mexico.

It would be one thing if destitute poverty-stricken people were taking fuel for their cars. But pipeline theft is organized crime and the thieves will murder at the drop of the hat.

I look upon Pemex for fuel like I would if grocery shopping in the USA were a government agency instead of private enterprise. Only Mexico has to deal with a petroleum workers union that is so corrupt it makes the federal Mexican government look as pure as Mother Teresa.

Pobrecito Mexico

[navegator]

Not to worry there will be gasolina in Mexico, the good old politicos will raise the price not by centavos but by pesos and next year they will be very magnanimous and lower the gasolina by a few centavos as they did this year.

It already came out unofficial in the newspapers yesterday.

Business as usual at Pemex.

navegator

[rockhillmanor]

If a couple of offshore oil platforms in the Gulf are off line causes a gas shortage, the United States is in big trouble. Think about it. It is NOT true.

Do you think those couple of rigs in the Gulf that are down is going to affect what we export and import every day? No.

""In 2016, the United States

imported

approximately 10.1 million barrels per day (MMb/d) of petroleum from about 70 countries

2016, the United States

exported

about 5.2 MMb/d of petroleum to 101 countries.""

Will they tell these countries we export to...sorry gas shortage due to storm we won't be sending you oil today, and we will have to charge you more? No.

But they think the citizens of the US are stupid so they will charge them more and create a panic of a gas shortage. 😞

[MEXICOWANDERER]

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-maintenance/study-shows-top-tier-gasoline-worth-extra-price/

[briansue]

Briansue. Although most gasoline is all the same not all refineries produce the "top tier" fuel. When the trucks get fuel from a competing refinery they put in their own additive. But I wonder of that makes a difference. I have read that the Techron mentioned by Mex is a very good product.

Interesting. Both TopTier and Techron are detergent additives. TopTier has convinced the public they are the best so now almost every brand name contains TopTier. Techron is also an additive made by Chevron and added to Chevron retail brand gasoline – and also interesting is that Chevron not only adds Techron but TopTier in case the public prefers one or the other. They make lots of claims. Does anyone really know what they really do?


http://www.toptiergas.com/licensedbrands/

http://www.techron.com/

[qtla9111]

rockhillmanor wrote:
The whole things a joke. It's labor day weekend gives them a reason.

There are tens of hundreds of reserve tanks filled to the top with gas. The refinery's do not operate on only pumping to fill what is used by the consumer.

So the theory that if a couple of rigs don't pump for a few days the whole country will be out of gas and the need to raise the price is pure baloney. :R

Not to mention how much gas we IMPORT which has nothing to do with a few rigs being shut down in Texas.

Can't believe the public buys into that.

There is a very stringent law in place that 'prohibits' anyone from raising prices, 'gouging' during a disaster.

That should apply to the oil companies also. Cause one could prove it doesn't cost any more because of a few TX rigs being offline.

The Secretary of Energy is a good ole Texas boy and he's going to take good care of his petroleum friends.

[moisheh]

Briansue. Although most gasoline is all the same not all refineries produce the "top tier" fuel. When the trucks get fuel from a competing refinery they put in their own additive. But I wonder of that makes a difference. I have read that the Techron mentioned by Mex is a very good product.

Moisheh

[MEXICOWANDERER]

It gets even better. I know of no San Francisco Bay Area refinery that does not have groups of mobile homes on site (near the administrative offices) to house management employees (and strike breakers). The idea that refineries have to shut down because employees cannot come to work is ludicrous. Refinery management staff do not have homes "down in the bogs".

Oil companies are untouchable, period. Any grief from government, there will be a refinery process "upset" and production is halted. These boys covered their tracks. They even shut down the pipelines. 16" diameter, half inch wall alloy steel pipes resting atop deep (buried) concrete piers.

San Francisco bay area refiners stagger their maintenance turnaround dates to allow refinery production to not altogether cease. Exxon, Shell, and Chevron, plus Valero all have refineries there. They are not "forced" to shutdown at any given date. The autumn turnaround is just around the corner (starts later in September). The average turnaround time is two to three weeks.

Let's see just how conspiratorial the next several weeks are with refineries outside the Texas, area. All Bay Area refineries, have crude oil docks.

As far as Mexico is concerned, only the upper part of the Baja California peninsula is utterly dependent on USA refined fuel.

We have to remember our sacred HIDDEN TAX that we have to pay on just about everything we buy - especially critical life support items like food and fuel.

Commodities Brokers are drooling saliva all over the Houston and Gulf Coast disaster. About 15% of gasoline cost is diverted to these leeches. During a contrived shortage this figure can jump to 50%. Look at the income of commodities brokers. Then remember the old saw: "This mega million dollar gambling casino complex was built with our revenue losses".

I'm not holding my breath. Big Oil loves to reassert their authority. So hang onto your shorts.

[rockhillmanor]

The whole things a joke. It's labor day weekend gives them a reason.

There are tens of hundreds of reserve tanks filled to the top with gas. The refinery's do not operate on only pumping to fill what is used by the consumer.

So the theory that if a couple of rigs don't pump for a few days the whole country will be out of gas and the need to raise the price is pure baloney. :R

Not to mention how much gas we IMPORT which has nothing to do with a few rigs being shut down in Texas.

Can't believe the public buys into that.

There is a very stringent law in place that 'prohibits' anyone from raising prices, 'gouging' during a disaster.

That should apply to the oil companies also. Cause one could prove it doesn't cost any more because of a few TX rigs being offline.