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Am I too picky about cg's?

Stclairm
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I rate cg's based on physical condition, amenities and if they actually have them, site size and condition, and bathhouses. It seems quite a few are in a bad need of renovation and don't follow through with what they say they have. There are always excuses for wifi not reaching past their office. After going to a few really nice ones, most of the rest just don't cut it. I guess once you experience a great standard, you judge the others accordingly. I just stayed at an old KOA in Boone and wasn't impressed with the facilities, the site was truly tiny, and the wifi didn't work at all. My site was more suited for a 15ft TT, not my 28ft and truck. I raised the right side tires as high as possible and deflated my left side tires to 10psi and still wasn't close to level. Gravel interior roads makes for an absolute muddy mess when it rains and so it did all weekend. Same is true for Zooland in Asheboro NC. I guess you get what you pay for at $26 a night at one and $35 at the other. I'm guessing due to the economy, a lot of owners just do what they have to to get by. The crazy thing is I haven't been to one that wasn't at least 80% full my last 3 outings.
The cg's that have set the bar for me are: Fancy Gap VA KOA, Daddy Joe's at Tabor City NC, Myrtle Beach Travel Park, Holiday Travel Park Emerald Isle NC (also the most expensive by a lot!), and Mama Gerties in Swannanoa NC.
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Doug33
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monkey44 wrote:
WRVPO says: "Does anyone have an idea of how much it costs to do a good renovation? Two years ago I did a complete redo of a bathhouse. $125,000 later, I have the best facility there is, period. But that $125,000 I spend earns me not one penny more in revenue unless I raise prices."

Agree with most of what you said in your post, except this part. What you get in return is MORE customers BECAUSE you updated your bathhouse.

Although you've also stated that you have higher prices SO YOU CAN upgrade. which is kinda a contradiction. Higher prices so you can upgrade, then you upgrade and raise the prices. It seems one or the other would make more business sense. IF you raise prices every time you do maintenance or upgrades, seems you'd price yourself out of customers eventually.

Reasonable prices for reasonable campsites / campgrounds should allow both happy and repeat customers, and allow for upgrades that keeps your people coming back.




Like any bathroom or kitchen renovation in a house, upgrading them improves the property value to a certain extent. So while spending $125K, the value of the property also goes up. Obviously you wouldn't realize that increase in value until you sell. And like home improvements, CG improvements would help to attract buyers (and attract customers in the meantime).

Although I don't usually use CG bath houses, it can be a real turnoff reading reviews of a CG that has old and unmaintained facilities. Conversely, and brand new bath house renovation would certainly help with ratings. Same goes for facilities such as the pool, pavilion, laundry, game room, store, etc.
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monkey44
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WRVPO says: "Does anyone have an idea of how much it costs to do a good renovation? Two years ago I did a complete redo of a bathhouse. $125,000 later, I have the best facility there is, period. But that $125,000 I spend earns me not one penny more in revenue unless I raise prices."

Agree with most of what you said in your post, except this part. What you get in return is MORE customers BECAUSE you updated your bathhouse.

Although you've also stated that you have higher prices SO YOU CAN upgrade. which is kinda a contradiction. Higher prices so you can upgrade, then you upgrade and raise the prices. It seems one or the other would make more business sense. IF you raise prices every time you do maintenance or upgrades, seems you'd price yourself out of customers eventually.

Reasonable prices for reasonable campsites / campgrounds should allow both happy and repeat customers, and allow for upgrades that keeps your people coming back.


Far as the WIFI comments, if a CG advertises it, then it should have it, if not, then not. But, to advertise it in order to compete with CGs that do have it means your 'cheating' in a sense. Don't say you have it if you don't. T state it's too expensive, then, it's too expensive - but to deceive a customer is not fair to the customer. If WIFI is only in the game room, say that, and be truthful. Most folks only want to email and search a few things for dining, or other travels. Those that want to stream all night should know better - and quit complaining.
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Doug33
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Stclairm wrote:
I totally agree with most all of your points. I tend to get to cg's right at dusk, it's unbelievable how hard some sites can be to find, much less back in to. I guess I'm lucky to have found several we really like, but they all tend to be 3 plus hours away. We're hoping to move to the NC mountains in the next few years.
The I section at the KOA in Boone is terrible and was where I got stuck. Narrow and no where to park my truck either. But some would say I'm being too picky......


There is a difference between being too picky, and expecting a decent experience during your stay. I don't expect Nirvana just because I like to camp, but if I'm shelling out $50/night or more, I want certain things to be as expected. Otherwise I might as well get a hotel. I can deal with a couple of the things on my long list, but if I have to deal with more than that, the experience could be more frustrating than it is worth.
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Stclairm
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I totally agree with most all of your points. I tend to get to cg's right at dusk, it's unbelievable how hard some sites can be to find, much less back in to. I guess I'm lucky to have found several we really like, but they all tend to be 3 plus hours away. We're hoping to move to the NC mountains in the next few years.
The I section at the KOA in Boone is terrible and was where I got stuck. Narrow and no where to park my truck either. But some would say I'm being too picky......

Doug33
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Okay, here's my take on this topic, coming from a person who has been RV'ing for 22 years now:

1) I bought a TT (and before that a PU) so I didn't have to use the bath house. When the kids were little it was a total hassle to have to drag them to the bath house, especially for showers. Most of the bath houses were not upkept, and it was always my wife who had to take the kids because they were girls. I vividly remember the old rusted plumbing, warped or cracked wood floor boards, insects all over the place, and in some cases, even having to put quarters in the showers to get them to work. So I don't quite understand why anyone with a TT or MH cares much about the bath house. Occassionally I'll use the men's room, but for the most part, I use the TT bathroom - that's one of the primary reason to have a TT.

2) The size and configuration of the site is paramount. I don't want to have to dodge trees everywhere and shoehorn back into a site, or have to be sticking out into the road while I back in and uncouple the TV. This is particularly an issue if you are arriving in the dark hours. And there has to be room leftover for parking my TV. I also don't want to have the next site's sewer at the edge of my awning, and have to stare at (and in some cases smell) my neighbors sewer line. There should be some kind of landscaping buffer between sites, so I don't feel like I'm staring at them. Some leveling front to back is expected and easier to accomplish than side to side leveling. Therefore the sites should be relatively level side to side. There needs to be enough room to sit a few people around a campfire, without the flames being too close to the TT or the extended awning. And I don't want the neighbors campfire to be real close to my TT.

3) Management has to be available to address issues during the overnight hours and enforce quiet hours. I've had many stays where adjacent campers got really rowdy in the wee hours (especially off-season), and were so drunk I did not feel safe trying to address the situation myself.

4) CGs should have discounted rates offseason, when you are not taking advantage of ammenities like pools and activities. Fortunately many of them do have off-season discounts.

5) I like to use on-line reservation systems, even if there is a fee for it. Many state CGs use this type of system, but many private CGs do not. In this day and age it is a hassle to have to call the office (when it is open), and give all the info over the phone. I use the internet to buy almost everything, and make hotel reservations. I should be able to do the same with a CG. You should also be able to reserve the exact site you want. Last time I went to one CG they switched me from a pull through to a back-in site that was nearly impossible to get to work. And it backed up to a totally delapitated seasonal site that was disgusting. I won't go back to that CG again.

6) CGs in general do a poor job of signing their streets and sites. It seems that half the time I am confused on how to get to the site, and then totally confused as to which site I'm actually on. Some times I cannot tell where one site ends and one site starts, so I'm nervous that after I set up, another camper will show up and tell me I'm partially on their site. I'd also suggest that bright street lights be turned off after midnight (or whenever the latest checkin time is), so you don't have the light coming in your TT windows all night long.

7) Utilities should be laid out with some logic. Some CGs have random layouts of water, electric, sewer and cable. It makes it hard to know exactly where to position the TT within the site. Last week my site was well laid out for electric, sewer and water, but the post for cable was way out in the front of the site, and my coaxial cable did not reach. I've had sites where water was on the same post as electric. Really? And sometimes the electric panel had no on-off circuit breaker. Sparks anyone?

๐Ÿ˜Ž Too many CGs in my area mix seasonal and transient sites throughout. I realize these CGs make most of their money on seasonal sites (and they get that money up front). But many of those CGs do little to control their seasonal sites from turning it into trashville, where it appears to be a contest to see who can have the most signs, flags, gnomes and other assorted decorations on their site. Not to mention all the sheds, decks, patios, lights, awnings, tarps, etc. At the place we stayed last weekend, several sites had TWO refigerators outside. Who needs two outdoor full-size refrigerators (and the one in the TT). I only have one at home! I don't really want to look at this******when I am camping. So please, separate out the transient sites so I can at least feel like I'm camping.

9) Many CGs don't provide adequate space to park your rig when checking in. In these places you end up blocking traffic and it really adds to the stress level. And just like in a hotel, I really don't like waiting a long time to check in. It should be a very simple process that takes less than 5 minutes and I'm on my way.

10) I'm torn as to whether I like CGs that have security gates. Initially I didn't like them, because again it doesn't seem like camping if I have to go through a security gate (I don't like gated communities in general). However, I have been to CGs where people had accessed the property that should not have been there, so I can appreciate the effort to keep people out that should not be there.

11) For those CGs that do not have sewer hookups, there needs to be an easily accessible location for the sewer dump. And for large CGs, there needs to be at least two dump locations. Getting stuck in a long line to dump upon leaving the CG is no fun.

12) I know safety is important, especially for kids playing and riding bikes, but speed bumps are really annoying, even more so when you are towing a TT. And if your site is near one of the speed bumps, then you have to listen to the noise of all the vehicles going over the bump.

13) In some CGs, the dumpster area becomes a landfill, with people throwing all kinds of stuff out. This is especially the case with lots of seasonal people who clean out their "houses". And the dumpster area can really start to smell bad, so it's best to keep it far away from sites.

14) I guess there is some need for golf carts, especially in really large CGs, but they are really ANNOYING. Especially with people that customize them and put bright fog lights and neon underbody lighting on them. I go camping to get away from the ghetto...

15) Private CGs should show pics of their sites on their website. With many state CGs, you can access a pic of each site, along with info such as length of unit it can accommodate, etc. With private CGs, unless you know the place and a site you've been in before, you give them info on your TT length, and then they decide where they are going to cram you into. When researching CGs, I don't need to see pics of your events like Xmas in July, or Halloween in August. I don't want to see pics of your dance night or potluck supper, or hayride. I want to figure out the best place to park my TT and enjoy it. At this point, I don't have young kids so I don't care about your "activities" anyway.


Maybe I should just move out west and that would solve most of these issues..... ๐Ÿ™‚
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wbwood
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Stclairm wrote:
I think it's a long learning process from experiencing many cg's and sticking with the ones you like. It just sucks when you drive hours to find out the real deal.


True.. We learned that with at KOA to call and ask for sites in a certain area.
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wbwood
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Stclairm wrote:
I was in site I-6, looked very similar to your pics. I had my largest wood blocks under the tires and tried to put one more single piece of wood on top of those and it just wouldn't go up on them. We only had two choices supposedly and my wife thought we should have grabbed the one other one we saw unoccupied, but by the time it was pouring rain and I caused the trailer hitch to come upcoupled and it fell on the ground, I was done.
Stone Mountain looks awesome, I thought I read they had a few FHU's. I'm starting to lean away from the "amenities" as my kids are getting older and I'm happier when the facilities and sites are really nice. I really want either wifi or cable though......


Yeah I believe that was in the I row. The second time, we were a row or two over and further up the hill. Much better!

Stone mountain has 2 full hook up sites. They are for handicapped though and right next to the bath house. Our daughter is 11 yrs old and no problems with out all the other amenities.
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Stclairm
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I think it's a long learning process from experiencing many cg's and sticking with the ones you like. It just sucks when you drive hours to find out the real deal.

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I agree with everything the OP has said but I have to add one more - we recently stayed at a Yogi so called "resort" and it was not cheap. We were there because it was there within 20 miles of where we had to be for an event - and not because it was Yogi or any of the so-called amenities. When we arrived our "premium" site was uphill. I stopped at three blocks under the wheels without any movement of the level bubble. The attitude of the office was "Level? You want to be level?" In addition the electric box was falling off the post. Why is this so hard for campgrounds that have set out sites - obviously bulldozed and added ground and gravel - to make them at least close to level? I mean we are looking up a slope and all of the sites around us are the same. For a large RV this may not be so much of a problem with auto-levelers or crank down stabilizers, but in my Class B this just does not happen - and at this campground everyone had stacks of blocks under all that came built in on their rigs. We had similar at a KOA that was not cheap.

It is not you get what you pay for - because price does not seem to matter. I have been at campgrounds that are level and well maintained and cost half of what some of these others that don't deliver cost.
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schrecker96
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Our site at Boone KOA looked just like that. Probably the same site..LOL!
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Stclairm
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I was in site I-6, looked very similar to your pics. I had my largest wood blocks under the tires and tried to put one more single piece of wood on top of those and it just wouldn't go up on them. We only had two choices supposedly and my wife thought we should have grabbed the one other one we saw unoccupied, but by the time it was pouring rain and I caused the trailer hitch to come upcoupled and it fell on the ground, I was done.
Stone Mountain looks awesome, I thought I read they had a few FHU's. I'm starting to lean away from the "amenities" as my kids are getting older and I'm happier when the facilities and sites are really nice. I really want either wifi or cable though......

qtla9111
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noe-place wrote:
qtla9111 wrote:
Stclairm wrote:
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Now see, there's another hillbilly name.


How would someone from the southwest know what a hillbilly is anyway? If you understood the culture you'd understand why they're named as they are. Really ought to get out more often. :R


That's funny. I come from a hillbilly family. Still have many relatives just like Los Ricos de Beverly Hills.
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wbwood
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Below is why we love Stone Mountain State Park. Much bigger sites, paved roads and pad to park your camper on and big crush and run pads for other things. Fire rings on a fireproof cement/brick platform. While you only get water and electric, the rate is $22/night plus $3 reservation fee. You also get very little if any cell phone reception.




While there is no pool there, you do have this....(hot wife in foreground not included!)




Exercise your legs some and enjoy scenery like this...

Brian
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wbwood
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Here is the first site we had in the Boone KOA last year. Don't have a picture of the 2nd site. Although small and in the worst part of the park, it doesn't look too bad to me.



But this view is one of the reasons we like it there. Of course we were there in the fall right before they closed for winter.



Here's a view from the bottom of the road, looking back at our site (white truck in the middle facing camera).

Brian
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goducks10
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Mandalay Parr wrote:
We don't have so much of that out in the West.


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