Boondocking closures in Arizona

Not applicable to today's mines.

monkey44 wrote:
The troubles begin with these kinds of controls when the company decides it's less expensive to pay the fines than protect the environment. OR, the company goes belly-up, intentionally, after reaping the profits. Then the bonds never cover the repairs, and the bonding company tries every legal trick under the sun to delay or defer or defeat efforts to replenish what is now been damaged nearly beyond fixing...

Does Picher, OK come to mind? Does to me.

The troubles begin with these kinds of controls when the company decides it's less expensive to pay the fines than protect the environment. OR, the company goes belly-up, intentionally, after reaping the profits. Then the bonds never cover the repairs, and the bonding company tries every legal trick under the sun to delay or defer or defeat efforts to replenish what is now been damaged nearly beyond fixing...

http://www.nma.org/index.php/land/reclamation
https://www.mineralseducationcoalition.org/reclamation-stories

Reread it yourself, i didnt read anything that says there are no enviromental controls and in fact they are working with stakeholders in the area to include access for recreation. People need jobs and the world needs copper, and once again i will say if you think there are no enviromental controls in place for mining then you are very misinformed or care not to be.

Please read the references in my blog post from the Arizona Republic (the Phoenix daily newspaper) and the link to the bill itself (it is in legal wording but there are legal interpretations that are also referenced for the lay person).

It is all very clearly explained by the sources I reference.

Please use facts and not opinion or emotions. There is no modern mine in The USA that has No enviromental controls. Reclamation is an ongoing part of mining as well as bonds that reassure that reclamation will happen. Ongoing jobs as well as jobs during construction. Also the very device you are posting from as well as your vehicle and camper are possible because of mining.

Captain_Happy wrote:
Isn't this what Ted Cruz proposed ( a bill in congress) a couple of years ago to close al the National parks and sell them off to the Big Money Boys. well its started. This the reason I'd never vote for this guy. What I'm afraid is, he'll get elected, and here we go.

You need to get a better news service inside your bunker. What you described never happened. Closing the national parks and selling the land to big money isn't going to happen. I know, I tried to buy the Grand Canyon and was flatly refused.

Phon D Sutton is closed to camping with a "No Overnight Parking" sign out front. The USFS website has not been updated. My blog is accurate.

I visited each place I mention in my blog post in person during the last few weeks. There are gates across the closed areas.

Many other RVers have been in touch with the Forest Service since October when they first started arriving in the area to find out what is going on.

I have spoken with the Forest Service and they have no intentions of ever reopening any of the camping areas I discuss and they are raising the rates on the day use areas to $12 with no senior discount as of Jan 2016.

28 year resident and user

Please check your facts before posting.

This is what is on the USA Gov Web Site. Phon D Sutton is Still open. The other sites were close due to no camp host and miss-use of people including campers.

http://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/tonto/recarea/?recid=35397

Here is the restrictions in place

http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/tonto/alerts-notices/?cid=stelprdb5246945


34 year resident and user.